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NVIDIA GeForce GTX 580 Reference Design Graphics Card Pictured

My last four graphics cards have been NVIDIA so most people would guess I am biased towards the green team but please if you do release this NVIDIA dont call it a 580 please? Why not just call it a 485 as its just a refinement of the 480 not really a whole new card (its a bit like like the GTX 280/285). I know AMD has started being silly with the numbers game (6850/6870 vs 58XX series!!) and I know that you are serial offenders for silly numbering of cards of late but please save the GTX 5XX monicker for the next real generation of cards, assuming you last that long in the premimum graphics card market!

...Rant over.... pics looks fake to me as well!
 
Well rumours are the 6970 is approximately 10% faster than a stock 480, if true the 6970 won't hold the performance crown that long at all, but let's wait and see.
 
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RavenXXX2 said:
Well rumors are the 6970 is approximately 10% faster than a stock 480, if true the 6970 won't hold the performance crown that long at all, but let's wait and see.
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You can count on it being a hell of a lot more than 10% as the 6870 is only about 25% slower than a gtx480. That would make ati's top single gpu only 35% faster than a 6870 which would hardly be worth there effort and the reported 1920 shaders. I think they will be looking more towards 30-40% faster than a gtx480. If you think about it a decent oc brand gtx480 will be faster than ati's flag ship its just not going to happen.
 
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As said unsubstantiated rumours, we can't say how fast the 580 or 6970 will be until we get some solid benchmarks in..stating the obvious.
 
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It's probably best to air on the side of caution when talking about speed increases and then you're presently supprised when it turns out better. Much better than the other way around.
 
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As said unsubstantiated rumours, we can't say how fast the 580 or 6970 will be until we get some solid benchmarks in..stating the obvious.
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Well if the current rumoured specs for the 6970 are true (and it looks likely) it won't actually be any faster than the GTX480 (in most cases - theres some cases it would be). Which I find hard to believe but both of the main sources for those roumered specs were correct with the 4 and 5 series. If its the specs I think most likely it would only be around 23% faster overall than the 480, possibly a little more in some areas due to the architecture changes.
 
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Well if the current rumoured specs for the 6970 are true (and it looks likely) it won't actually be any faster than the GTX480 (in most cases - theres some cases it would be). Which I find hard to believe but both of the main sources for those roumered specs were correct with the 4 and 5 series. If its the specs I think most likely it would only be around 23% faster overall than the 480, possibly a little more in some areas due to the architecture changes.
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So 1920 4D shaders with 6GHz RAM won't be any faster? I find that very hard to believe, considering the efficiency gains of the 6800 series.
 
I'd like to know what rumour Rroff is talking about now, because most rumours are pushing it as a 250W card, meaning, 66% increase in power usage over a 6870, 1120 shaders x 1.66 = 1800+ shaders, considering a 1850-1900shader 5870 architecture would match or beat a 480gtx, with an architecture thats 35% more efficient, frankly, it should have a good lead on the 480gtx.

Though I wouldn't bet against the "580gtx" you know, the card they released last November, that they want to release again, being noticeably faster than the 6970. I'm also expecting reviews from only a handful of sites, you know, the ones who happily agree to only bench Physx titles. ;)
 
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I'd like to know what rumour Rroff is talking about now, because most rumours are pushing it as a 250W card, meaning, 66% increase in power usage over a 6870, 1120 shaders x 1.66 = 1800+ shaders, considering a 1850-1900shader 5870 architecture would match or beat a 480gtx, with an architecture thats 35% more efficient, frankly, it should have a good lead on the 480gtx.

Though I wouldn't bet against the "580gtx" you know, the card they released last November, that they want to release again, being noticeably faster than the 6970. I'm also expecting reviews from only a handful of sites, you know, the ones who happily agree to only bench Physx titles. ;)
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My instinct is it would be a 1920 SP part putting it somewhere between 23 and 35% faster than the GTX480 on average (which ties up with other info). However I've seen previously reliable sources claim that it is a high clocked 1536 (1920/5*4?) part instead - which does tie up fairly closely to the "leaked" Vantage scores and puts it much closer to or even equal to the GTX480 overall (not enough extra MHz to make up for lost SPs). I'm not really sure what to think as these sources haven't been wrong in the past.
 
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My instinct is it would be a 1920 SP part putting it somewhere between 23 and 35% faster than the GTX480 on average (which ties up with other info). However I've seen previously reliable sources claim that it is a high clocked 1536 (1920/5*4?) part instead - which does tie up fairly closely to the "leaked" Vantage scores and puts it much closer to or even equal to the GTX480 overall (not enough extra MHz to make up for lost SPs). I'm not really sure what to think as these sources haven't been wrong in the past.
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A single game won't often show the difference between cards, Vantage is even worse

http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/gigabyte-gf-gtx400_15.html#sect2

The 5870 is rarely less than 10% behind the 480gtx, and sometimes ahead in the same game, does a single game respond like that, 10-15% behind but ahead in a few situations, not really. Not to mention the further we go in terms of performance in things like Vantage, the more cpu limited you become(especially not knowing AMD to release any results like those on overclocked "uber" systems).

Discounting Vantage, you've got potentially leaked Uniengine results, which means zilch, we don't know how much efficiency was gained in tesselation so we don't know what twice as fast as a 5870 means.

As for 1920/5 *4, would you care to tell us where you read that, because thats not a rumour I've seen, errm, anywhere.

So we have a 1536 shader rumour, from you basically, and Vantage and Uniengine numbers which again mean, virtually nothing to actually nothing respectively, which may or may not be real to start with.

I do like the it could be anything from 23 to 35% faster on average, you love saying these things "according to some calculations I did it could be X or Y, or Z, or A, or B through W % faster, or slower, or inbetween, if this rumour I made up myself is true".

Then every single time bar no exceptions someone asks you what these calculations are.......... and you don't respond, you also never link to a rumour you heard when asked to, and afaik, you've never been close to right with one of your guesses.

Maybe I should toot my own horn and say I guessed the 6850 would be slightly under 5850 performance, 255mm2 and that the there would be 1120 shaders on the core. It would probably be mean of me not to mention I thought the 6870 would be same size but with 1280 shaders, so I was one set of clusters out, I hadn't accounted for THAT much improvement in efficiency.

All in all, I'd say that wasn't a bad guess at all, what with the 6850 being 255mm2, having 1120 shaders on die, and being a little slower than a 5850 and sub £150 I also said.
 
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