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New Dual Nvidia 5X0 card coming THIS year! GTX580 15-20% faster than GTX480! GTX560 possible release

You are not changed at all, your opinions constantly flip flop depending on what card you currently have. First of all fermi was a fail and drew too much power etc now that doesnt matter? Hardocp are "biased" yet when they do a review on nvidia surround its fine for you to link to them because its a positive review? You are aware that Kyle Bennets personal system has a pair of 480's in it? Not exactly the actions of someone that apparently is biased towards amd..

I can almost guarantee within the next 6 months (if not weeks) you'll again have swapped cards and your opinions will again flip flop like every other time you've changed card.

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I just dont get fanboys at all
I have both ati and nvidia cards in the past and was pleased with both brands but not at any point did i pretend that any cards/drivers i owned of either brand were flawless. Unlike some i actually wait to see what certain cards can do before making an opinion and also whatever brand i do choose when i upgrade i just dont see the point in slagging off the brand i either upgraded from or didnt choose this time around.............fanboys just annoy me and what makes it worse is the fact that they dont even seem to realise what utter idiots they are being.............sorry for the rant guys i just had to get that off my chest after witnessing some of the threads and peoples posts recently
 
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Given that the 6870 is only about 25% on average slower than a gtx480 and the gtx580 is said to be around 15-20% faster than the gtx480. This would put the gtx580 at around 40-45% faster than a 6870 so its not to far fetched to say amds 6950 could be around the speed of a gtx580. I personally think it will be more gtx480 performance with the 6970 being around the gtx580 but we shall see. With fud saying the 69xx series could be the new r300 its got me thinking the performance on these cards could be better than we think as hes usually pretty nv biased.
 
Im no expert but in money terms for 12 months running a 480 vs a 5870 i dont think there is a lot of difference maybe £20-30,somebody will no doubt correct me if im wrong:)

As for the heat well that is a easy answer, the 480 will heat up your case and components a lot more than a 5870,that is a fact.

I'm not to worried about the heat, have a large case


£20 a year, its very ackward to say because, both sides idle power usage goes up when you use two screens(not sure if thats true of the 6870), how much do you game and use 300W of your 480gtx, and how often is it at 40W(whatever its idle power draw is), its very difficult to calculate.

Its not a deciding factor, its performance, price, size, noise, availability, whose drivers you like, how much power it uses.

If you can't decide based on everything else it might make up your mind for you, but its not a huge deal. Reviews make a big deal because to people like Dell, where they will sell 99% of the cards rather than the 1% to us lot, they DO care about the power. It is a big deal in the grande scheme of the design/success of the 480gtx altogether, to the individual user, its Meh.

Thats what i always based it on in the past, mainly price and performance to be honest, i was just curious because it seems to get a lot of mentions and i thought hey maybe there's more to this than meets the eye

If anyone honestly thinks they will notice the extra juice a 480 uses(cost wise) i would suggest looking at your own home first as many things eat the kW's well before your humble little gfx card. If it is your psu or the heat you are worried about then fair enough, but if its the electricity bill then do not worry.

Ok cool so it seems other than PSU considerations, higher power needs is not such a big deal
 
With fud saying the 69xx series could be the new r300 its got me thinking the performance on these cards could be better than we think as hes usually pretty nv biased.

Yeah, that did get me thinking too. I mean if it came from Charlie then it could easily be ignored but Fud... I dunno, maybe reading too much in to a rumour site!
 
heres 480 gettin smashed by 5970 in dirt2....snip

Why do you keep comparing the 480 to the 5970? I've seen you do it in several posts now, why?

I should hope the 5970 does smash the 480 considering it consists of TWO gpus.

Unfortunately in a lot of titles your beloved 5970 hardly "smashes" the 480 at all. There's even some instances of the Nvidia card coming out on top in some games.
 
Why do you keep comparing the 480 to the 5970? I've seen you do it in several posts now, why?

I should hope the 5970 does smash the 480 considering it consists of TWO gpus.

Unfortunately in a lot of titles your beloved 5970 hardly "smashes" the 480 at all. There's even some instances of the Nvidia card coming out on top in some games.

Its largely because a certain someone started saying the 580GTX at 20% faster than a 480GTX would basically be right on top of a 5970, which is total and complete BS.

That certain someone said the 5970 is as little as 5% and at most 25% faster.

As I've shown, when benchmarks aren't, well, exclude every AMD best one and only include Nvidia's best ones, thats still not true as the 5970 AVERAGED 24% faster than the 480gtx in the incredibly biased review, in the 6 month older not as biased version the 5970 was 38% average, and in its best games it was 70% ahead, in its worst games, cpu limited and only a few percent, in its worst non cpu limited 15% ahead.

Basically the 580GTX isn't going to come in the 5970 ballpark because its not going to be 38% faster, full stop, theres no argument, its not going to be that much faster, it will get closer to a 5970, of course, why wouldn't it, it will not by any stretch of the imagination match it. In 2 Nvidia physx titles it will match it, in non crap tech demo rubbish games it will be between 15-40% behind most likely.

Also worth noting, the RRP(ignoring uk retailers) of the 5970 was £440, you can get them for that price now, the 480gtx lightning is £470 right now, and launch pricing on 480gtx was , actually I'm not entirely sure, some were above £400, maybe all were, I can't remember, I seem to remember the 470gtx being £320-360 and the 480GTX being £400-450 or so.

Meaning, well, they were both launched to be in the same price bracket, and quite frankly AMD could produce a 5970 , or the two cores, for less than Nvidia could produce a single 480gtx core.

So that would be a good reason to compare the two in all honesty. As for smashing it, I'd say 50-70% faster in more than a few situations is smashing it, how often is the 480GTX 70% ahead of a 5870? None, yup. As for the 480GTX coming out on top, in all but a few odd situations, heavily cpu limited, one or two very odd memory/res/aa setups whereby the 480gtx still won't give you a playable framerate, I'm sure it does, on average, its 38% faster according to a review that includes 3-4 cpu limited situations which drag the 5970 scores down more than the 480gtx. Sorry but 38% average, IS smashing it. 38% faster is the difference between a 480gtx and 460gtx, or does the 480gtx not smash the 460gtx?
 
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6 month old benchmarks even if accurate then aren't the best indicator as the 5970 hasn't increased performance wise from driver updates significantly since whereas the GTX480 has seen ~15% performance increases in many games/applications since then.

GTX580 even at 750MHz would give a comparable gaming experience overall due to being slightly more consistant fps wise.
 
All this is an non issue anyway. The gtx580 will be up against the 6970 performance wise and the 6990 will destroy all current and yet to be released cards for a good while unless nv can some how come up with a decent dual gpu card.
 
6 month old benchmarks even if accurate then aren't the best indicator as the 5970 hasn't increased performance wise from driver updates significantly since whereas the GTX480 has seen ~15% performance increases in many games/applications since then.
Are you seriously trying to suggest the 5970 hasn't seen any performance improvements from driver updates? Because every release I see notes detailing performance improvements, often in the double digits, and the last time I fired up DiRT2 I could notice the performance improvement from release.

So, I counter your remark with an equally unsupported one: the GTX480 hasn't seen any increase performance wise, while the 5970 has seen a ~15% increase in many games.
 
Are you seriously trying to suggest the 5970 hasn't seen any performance improvements from driver updates? Because every release I see notes detailing performance improvements, often in the double digits, and the last time I fired up DiRT2 I could notice the performance improvement from release.

So, I counter your remark with an equally unsupported one: the GTX480 hasn't seen any increase performance wise, while the 5970 has seen a ~15% increase in many games.

No I'm not - the significant 5970 performance improvements mostly came over 6 months ago - whereas the bigger nVidia increases came more recently with the 256+ drivers within the last 6 months.

To use your example - IIRC the ATI ~20% Dirt 2 performance update was around 9 months ago.
 
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6 month old benchmarks even if accurate then aren't the best indicator as the 5970 hasn't increased performance wise from driver updates significantly since whereas the GTX480 has seen ~15% performance increases in many games/applications since then.

GTX580 even at 750MHz would give a comparable gaming experience overall due to being slightly more consistant fps wise.

Whoops, so you just glossed over two major things, firstly you said the review wasn't biased, now you're ignoring it, given in, think its unfair, can't tell.

Also I specifically pointed out, show me a game result where with newer drivers the 480gtx has improved 15%, infact, show me, how many results are there in total, show me 4 games where the 480gtx got a noticeable boost.

For the record, compare them both, the majority of games have had a 1-2fps boost on both the 5970 AND the 480GTX.

Thats rather why I've already pointed that out, the "big performance boosting drivers" tend to for BOTH sides be fixing an oddity, rather than bringin up total performance. LIke if you have 14 screens, and sit facing east, and use 32xaa getting a performance of 4fps average, then new driver XXX.XX gives you a 7% speed boost....... WOOO.

In reality, drivers are pretty solid at the moment, and performance boost drivers are usually in a very small limited number of games and very limited situations.

Thats why you almost always see, game X up to 5% performance. Not Game X, 7% faster across the board.

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/674/9206/0/www2.ati.com/drivers/Catalyst_1010_release_notes.pdf

For the record, those are very similar results to many of the "driver speed improvements" the 256 drivers bought for Nvidia users, and probably applied in just as few outlying situations and weird combinations. IE they both got a 9% boost in Uniengine according to release notes, oh wait 256 drivers were in June, those performance updates are still happening in the lastest AMD drivers. So Nvidia have one major performance driver you mention, months ago, AMD have the same improvements listed, ermm, well officially last month now, but AMD haven't had any performance improvements in way longer than Nvidia? Really?

Also look at Nvidia's list of settings in his bar charts of driver improvements in 256, in games you would use some aa and well, is there a game you wouldn't use AF, they are often running decent res but no eye candy, other times they are running 2560x1600 with 8-32xaa/16xaf. In other words, their best speed improvements(just like AMD) come often at settings you just won't use(or most of us won't).

1920x1200 and 2-8xaa I would call pretty standard options for a top end gpu, IE theres not many games that can't use some level of AA(if any), and the massive majority of us don't game at 2560x1600 full stop, those who do are likely not using 8-32xaa purely because most games would run like a pile of crap.

Havent' we also recently had this debate in many threads, where you post site X as proof and I go look and see they've used the latest Nvidia drivers, with the worst possible AMD drivers, and then it turns out they lied and they just ripped AMD results for 6 months ago and used the lastest drivers on Nvidia gpu's to expand the differences, oh yeah, we have done that.
 
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n reality, drivers are pretty solid at the moment, and performance boost drivers are usually in a very small limited number of games and very limited situations.

Are you not on a single 5850 though DM?

I see nothing but people with issues on 5890s and crossfire in general. You only have to look in the cat 10.10d hotfix thread to realise this.

Now I'm not saying that everyone is having issues but there does seem to be more and more people getting disillusioned with AMDs driver releases (specifically CF users)

From what I read the 10.4 cats still seem to be the best (safest bet) CF drivers and they were released back in April :eek:

BTW this isn't an AMD/ATi bashing post just an observation that's very evident within these very forums.
 
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Allright then. My ATI rig. I benched some games back then and compared them to your results from 480's in SLI. Was not a lot in it to be honest.
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18183953&highlight=Flanno's

System :
i7 980X @ 4.2ghz
- 1.29v vcore,1.34v vtt

Sapphire 5970 4gig x 2 Quadfire
- 900mhz (+50mhz) core, 2400mhz memory (stock)

Catalyst 10.7a with 10.8a application profiles

Dirt 2 (game benchmark, not demo benchmark)
1920x1200, DX11, all settings maxed out
 
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