1 week with a macbook

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Hi All,

So it's been one week since I got my Macbook. And all I can say is it's an amazing peice of equipment, and has practically made EVERYTHING I use a computer for easier. Originally the plan was to run bootcamp so I could use XP, but in all honesty I've found OS X Tiger to be fantastic. It takes an hour or two to used to, but once you've mastered the basics it's a joy to use.

Now that mac's are intel based I can't find any reason why people aren't converting to macs in droves.

Today I bought myself a mighty mouse and a mini-dvi -> dvi converter so now I have OS X on one of my 19" widescreen tfts...awesome..

EVERYONE CONVERT NOW!


David
 
I was converted when I bought my first iBook G4 over a year ago, sold my PC and have now got a Macbook as both my portable machine and also docked in with my ACD. Keeping your Macbook clean is easy if you have clean hands....
 
DAVEM said:
Now that mac's are intel based I can't find any reason why people aren't converting to macs in droves.
I for one intensely dislike the self-absorbed Apple fanboi syndrome, I don't give a flying hoot if my Thinkpad has fingerprints/dust/scratches. I didn't have a choice of black or white for my Thinkpad and I didn't really care either. I am all for caring for your property but there is a limit, it is there for a reason - to be used.

I see no point in buying a Mac if you aren't going to use the "proper" OS and I don't like it. I run Linux on my machines but my laptop is dual-boot XP/Linux because I actually need it to be for work/dev purposes.

To a lot of people, owning a Mac is a fashion accessory to go with their Toni & Guy (are they good? I have no idea)silly pointy haircuts and sleeveless pink-check jumpers which they wear with brown shoes. It would sit nicely in their VW Beetle, right alongside the rather appealing flower in the test-tube.

It is just the same as cars, certain social types will drive an Audi, a Golf, a Nova etc..

That's why I will never buy a Mac (or iPod, iPhone, iWhatever), the hardware is irrelevant because the image sucks. Why are there endless posts in this forum about cleaning & caring for the hardware, shouldn't that be in the other Hardware forums? This forum is described as "All matters relating to Linux, OS X and open source operating systems.", nowhere does it mention using Brasso on your iKeyboard? It is driving most of the Linux users away 'cause we are faced with endless pap about non-appropriate Apple/Mac topics. I'm not talking about OS X stuff, that is cool and strictly appropriate but not most of the other posts. 99% of the linux posts now are "n00b here, which distro for me?" which is cool but there is no proper discussion any more :(

I think there should be a serious re-think on splitting the Mac stuff to a separate forum, else this place will just become a Mac forum anyway and the Linux users will finish the exodus that has started..

Really not looking for a flamewar but that is just my honest opinion :)
 
riddlermarc said:
It is driving most of the Linux users away 'cause we are faced with endless pap about non-appropriate Apple/Mac topics. I'm not talking about OS X stuff, that is cool and strictly appropriate but not most of the other posts. 99% of the linux posts now are "n00b here, which distro for me?" which is cool but there is no proper discussion any more :(

Nail, head, hammer (from a fellow exodee for the same reasons, although one who has recently ordered a MBP for work purposes)
 
riddlermarc said:
So you're not going to buy Apple hardware based on an image which you've dreamed up about people who also purchase it? It's not like you'll be walking along with an iPod and people will dodge out of your way in fear of catching metrosexuality off you.

Most of your serious Linux / other stuff discussion can be had at http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=22 anyway.
 
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jidh007 said:
Your anti-Mac attitude makes baby jesus cry :( :D
Every morning I wake up and kill another innocent kitten too..
Caged said:
Most of your serious Linux / other stuff discussion can be had at http://forums.somethingawful.com/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=22 anyway.
No, I choose (chose) to come here many years ago and discuss Linux - why the hell should I be pushed out by a load of "metrosexual" individuals who feel the need to discuss the aesthetic values of black vs white laptop casings in a forum that isn't supplied for the purpose? General Hardware would cover a serious majority of the Mac postings that appear in this forum?

If you wanted to get your own Mac forum, you are going the right way about it because most of the serious users of this forum are hacked off with the Mac spew and are leaving in droves.. I have bitten my tongue for a long time hoping something would be done but nothing did. This would have been nipped in the bud if LOS wasn't regarded as a backwater forum with no need/interest in moderation. Over in HG&P we don't talk about the colour of our servers, or what sort of racking they are housed in.. we could, it would be advantageous but it isn't the right place.

Maybe I should start posting about which shade of beige my next linux box will be, or seek advice on how I should clean the generic £3.50 keyboard I use with my linux box...
 
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riddlermarc said:
I don't give a flying hoot if my Thinkpad has fingerprints/dust/scratches. I didn't have a choice of black or white for my Thinkpad and I didn't really care either. I am all for caring for your property but there is a limit, it is there for a reason - to be used.

Well done, have a cookie. What's wrong with taking pride in your machine? For a lot of people, especially on these forums, their computers are like their cars - a hobby, a project - why do people wash their cars? A lot of people take pride in their machines, just look at how many people have their specs etc in their signatures.

riddlermarc said:
I see no point in buying a Mac if you aren't going to use the "proper" OS and I don't like it.

People have a choice, people choose to buy Macs for numerous reasons - just because you "don't like it" that people buy a Mac to primarily run another operating system; that's not going to sway me from my next Mac purchase.

riddlermarc said:
To a lot of people, owning a Mac is a fashion accessory to go with their Toni & Guy (are they good? I have no idea)silly pointy haircuts and sleeveless pink-check jumpers which they wear with brown shoes. It would sit nicely in their VW Beetle, right alongside the rather appealing flower in the test-tube.

Grow up. Many professionals use Macs for some great reasons. Macs have so many suites of brilliant applications for audio editing, film making, graphic designing. My haircut cost £5 from the local barbers, my clothes are from god knows where and I ride the bus - but I use Macs because they make what I do fun and stress free.

riddlermarc said:
It is just the same as cars, certain social types will drive an Audi, a Golf, a Nova etc..

We'll be seeing you in the motors forum next will we? Slinging abuse at people for driving an Audi which coincidentally is an obvious fashion statement :rolleyes: why would you ever buy one for anything else /sarcasm.

riddlermarc said:
That's why I will never buy a Mac (or iPod, iPhone, iWhatever), the hardware is irrelevant because the image sucks.

It's funny - because I know so many people who bash Macs until they actually own/use one. After that it's songs of endless praise.

riddlermarc said:
I think there should be a serious re-think on splitting the Mac stuff to a separate forum, else this place will just become a Mac forum anyway and the Linux users will finish the exodus that has started...

This is probably the only thing we will ever agree on. An Apple Hardware related forum is needed on OcUK - saying that, there are plenty of other Mac forums about.

riddlermarc said:
Really not looking for a flamewar but that is just my honest opinion :)

So you're obviously one of those people who don't think before they post. Why would you rant out a big list of our apparent faults and then finish it off with the equivalent of a 'no offence mate'.
 
riddlermarc said:
Every morning I wake up and kill another innocent kitten too..
No, I choose (chose) to come here many years ago and discuss Linux - why the hell should I be pushed out by a load of "metrosexual" individuals who feel the need to discuss the aesthetic values of black vs white laptop casings in a forum that isn't supplied for the purpose? General Hardware would cover a serious majority of the Mac postings that appear in this forum?

You are pretty pathetic. Stereotyping is not big and its not clever.

riddlermarc said:
If you wanted to get your own Mac forum, you are going the right way about it because most of the serious users of this forum are hacked off with the Mac spew and are leaving in droves

Because OS X and Apple hardware come hand in hand, It's only fair that posts relating to both are allowed. But maybe you should take all the Mac related posts as a sign that maybe OcUK will eventually create a completely Mac centered forum section. Apple's marketshare is growing so its completely understandable that more posts are popping up in what seems like the only place that seems reasonable.

riddlermarc said:
Maybe I should start posting about which shade of beige my next linux box will be, or seek advice on how I should clean the generic £3.50 keyboard I use with my linux box...

Well if you do I'm sure you'll get what pretty much most people get from this forum. Polite, friendly and helpful advice. Unlike you, we're not all out here to criticise things and kick up a childish fuss.
 
toosepin said:
Well done, have a cookie. What's wrong with taking pride in your machine? For a lot of people, especially on these forums, their computers are like their cars - a hobby, a project - why do people wash their cars? A lot of people take pride in their machines, just look at how many people have their specs etc in their signatures.
Absolutely nothing, a lot of people over in General Hardware will agree and that's cool.
toosepin said:
People have a choice, people choose to buy Macs for numerous reasons - just because you "don't like it" that people buy a Mac to primarily run another operating system; that's not going to sway me from my next Mac purchase.
I wasn't trying to influence anyone's future purchase plans, unlike the OP. I don't like OS X, that's what I was referring to not the fact people will buy a Mac and re-format. Yes I have tried it, and yes it does have some killer apps but it is too Fisher Price for my liking.. just doesn't float my boat.
toosepin said:
Grow up. Many professionals use Macs for some great reasons. Macs have so many suites of brilliant applications for audio editing, film making, graphic designing. My haircut cost £5 from the local barbers, my clothes are from god knows where and I ride the bus - but I use Macs because they make what I do fun and stress free.
I am a fully-grown thirty-four year old man thanks, I have a fiancee and 4yr old son.. oh, and a house and decent career as a developer. The key part of my statement was "To a lot of people".
toosepin said:
We'll be seeing you in the motors forum next will we? Slinging abuse at people for driving an Audi which coincidentally is an obvious fashion statement :rolleyes: why would you ever buy one for anything else /sarcasm.
My comparison was indicating that certain social stereotypes do drive certain cars, I wasn't bashing anyone. People will, however, base a certain portion of their decision-making on looks/appeal of the car in question when it comes to a prospective purchase.
toosepin said:
So you're obviously one of those people who don't think before they post. Why would you rant out a big list of our apparent faults and then finish it off with the equivalent of a 'no offence mate'.
I thought about it long and hard, as I have done about this subject for weeks. If the OP is brash enough to proclaim "everyone should switch to a Mac", why can't I tell him why I don't want to?
toosepin said:
You are pretty pathetic. Stereotyping is not big and its not clever.
Neither is name-calling.
toosepin said:
Because OS X and Apple hardware come hand in hand, It's only fair that posts relating to both are allowed. But maybe you should take all the Mac related posts as a sign that maybe OcUK will eventually create a completely Mac centered forum section. Apple's marketshare is growing so its completely understandable that more posts are popping up in what seems like the only place that seems reasonable.
Linux and Intel/AMD/Sun/Apple/etc hardware also come hand in hand. There are, however, other forums for discussing the latest Maxtor hard drive, or memory upgrades for my server.. why should Apple/Mac stuff be exempt from that and be discussed in a non-relative forum?
toosepin said:
Well if you do I'm sure you'll get what pretty much most people get from this forum. Polite, friendly and helpful advice. Unlike you, we're not all out here to criticise things and kick up a childish fuss.
My posts on this board are pretty much always exemplary, you are missing my point. This is the wrong forum to discuss Apple hardware, MBP cleaning techniques etc? This forum is under the sub-heading of "Software", not Apple housekeeping and it hacks me off when I come in here only to find an entire page of "which colour Apple carry bag should I get" style threads. My Thinkpad's screen is real dirty, I do need to clean it but I would never post in here and ask for advice? Why should I, and why should a MBP user? Search General Hardware for "laptop" and you will get >20 pages of results, why should MBP hardware queries be any different from a Dell/IBM/Advent hardware query?

It's nothing personal, I also blatantly dislike KDE (<shudder>) so my OS X bashing isn't unique.. don't think you are singled out for special love :)
 
I can see what Marc is saying but to be honest, this is the place where Mac users truly gather, posting a Mac related post in other "correct" forum sections will only have it ignored or missed by Mac users...

/2cents.
 
Dr Jones said:
I can see what Marc is saying but to be honest, this is the place where Mac users truly gather, posting a Mac related post in other "correct" forum sections will only have it ignored or missed by Mac users...

/2cents.
I agree about the posts being overlooked, I certainly do and I do sympathise :) In which case there needs to be a dedicated Mac forum so these things can have their own place. I suppose the Linux posters have the dubious honour of using more "standard" hardware so and hardware questions will be approached the same as any other in the relevant forum.

As others have stated, some Linux users have stopped coming to this forum which is a shame as there are new people who need helping, as well as established members perhaps taking on more complex activities etc. This is one of the reasons why I got hacked off with it.. I am guilty of it too, I don't post here as often as I used to.

When I posted my first post in this thread, I really wasn't trying to start a bun fight.. it has just worn me down having to wade through a lot of Mac posts every day, and reading the first post stating "Now that mac's are intel based I can't find any reason why people aren't converting to macs in droves" ticked me off. I do apologise if I got peoples backs up, it honestly wasn't intended :(

At the risk of incurring the wrath of the Mods, perhaps the debate/poll of a separate Apple forum should be re-opened?
 
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