US: Game of Thrones - Season 3 - Book Comparison (Spoilers)

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In accordance with recent Mod guidance, this thread has been created solely to discuss Season 3 of Game of Thrones and the differences between the Episodes and events in the books. It is intended for those forum members who have read some, or all of the books and have an interest in the TV adaptation.

I do not see any need for spoiler tags to be used in this thread, so please proceed on the basis that if you do not have a full understanding of events up to A Dance With Dragons, then you are likely to read something you wish you hadn't.

No flaming please, use the thread for it's intended purpose. Any stupid posts will be RTM.
 
Okay then
The loss of jamies hand, it had to happen to one of boltons men, as the timeline in the series is differrent, vargo hoat isnt in charge at harrnhal, bolton is, as robs away to the granddad funeral

It isnt a major departure, and it is best happening now to continue the volution of jamies timeline

Not a biggie, no real depth lost
 
Already got mentioned in the other thread but I found the Theon changes really jarring. I didn't particularly want to see 3 series worth of him getting tortured but having him leave the place before winter just seems strange. I'm wondering if he's going to be recaptured at some point and turned into "Reek" or if they've decided to diverge massively.

edit: It's been a while since I've read the books so maybe I'm remembering things slightly wrong anyhow.
 
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Theon went missing between books 2 and books 5.
He reappeared as Reek iirc.
We knew he 'had' been tortured, and we knew he 'had' been turned into reek.
I think they are just exploring some alternative ways of that happening, as his escape is all from the actual *******, rather than a little boy who will help him.
A ******* who shot down his own men, for a bit of a laugh, to continue the delusion of providing freedom to Theon. Torture most cruel.

Again is a how they get to the end point change, rather than a change in the endpoint.
Also means the character doesn't go missing for three years while TV audiences never hear a word spoken about him.
 
Yeah, there are obvious reasons for having him around rather than missing for ages in the TV series. And yes, it's pretty standard for the routes for characters to change without changing the end result in a TV>book transition.

I'm not sure why you've ****** a load of stuff?

It sounds feasible that the escape is a sham/set-up yeah. That would make sense I guess but it would be hard to string it out for too long.
 
The stars are the swear filter, i used the b word for a fatherless child. As in boltons bastrad, but the swear filter appears to have been altered recently to disavow the word.
 
As I mentioned previously, Theon's capture, torture and subsequent escape was a big part of the book, but was paid mere lip service in the TV show. I feel they are trying to shove too much in to a Season and are just not doing it justice.

I really wish they'd slow down :(
 
The stars are the swear filter, i used the b word for a fatherless child. As in boltons bastrad, but the swear filter appears to have been altered recently to disavow the word.

Ah..I didn't realise that. The joys of the swear filter not really being that good/well-configured.

As I mentioned previously, Theon's capture, torture and subsequent escape was a big part of the book, but was paid mere lip service in the TV show. I feel they are trying to shove too much in to a Season and are just not doing it justice.

I really wish they'd slow down :(

Me too..at least regarding certain things :)
 
As I mentioned previously, Theon's capture, torture and subsequent escape was a big part of the book, but was paid mere lip service in the TV show. I feel they are trying to shove too much in to a Season and are just not doing it justice.

I really wish they'd slow down :(

I am not certain hat his capture, torture and escape have really happened in the tv show yet.
I think what we saw was simply the bolton boy playing a joke as the first part of theons torture.
I think he has a season or two of it ahead of him, but we shall see.
 
Yeah, I thought in the book he escapes and is basically hunted by bolton for fun and after that he was tortured.

Do we think the red wedding will be the season finale?
 
The penultimate episode of this season is called 'the rains of castamere' so I think we will see it this season.

Considering they are splitting book 3 into two seasons, it all seems a little rushed still. I guess there is simply too much to put on screen though. :(
 
Yeah, I thought in the book he escapes and is basically hunted by bolton for fun and after that he was tortured.

That's right, it's just the way it's portrayed in the show is slightly different and initially confusing. According to the Wiki, the timeline of events for Theon is:

Theon has been tortured repeatedly by Ramsay Bolton. Ramsay removes the skin on several of Theon's toes and fingers, leaving him in agony for days before removing the joints but only after Theon begs him to remove them. He broke and removed several of Theon's teeth because Ramsay hated his smiles. It is also implied, but not confirmed, that Ramsay removes Theon's genitals as well. Theon is forced to take on the guise of Reek, Ramsay's former serving man. Theon is forbidden to bathe and is caked from head to toe in filth and excrement.

Due to the torture he endured at Ramsay's hands, Theon's appearance has dramatically changed. He looks like he has aged forty years and several of his teeth have been knocked out, many more are loose meaning Theon cant even eat without suffering agony. Theon has lost three stone in weight, his skin has turned pasty, and his hair is white and brittle. He can no longer use a bow due to the loss of some fingers and hobbles like an old man due to the loss of several toes.

Before he endures the worst of Ramsay's tortures, Theon once escapes with the help of Kyra (his former bedwarmer at Winterfell). It turns out, though, that they are allowed to escape by Ramsay. Ramsay lets them get a day's head start before hunting them with his hounds. Theon is taken back to the Dreadfort dungeon and Kyra meets a cruel and grisly death at the hands of Ramsay and his hounds. Theon is mentally and physically broken by Ramsay and lives in great fear of him.

After Ramsay's father announces his return to the North, Ramsay has Theon washed and properly clothed, and sends him to deliver peace terms to the Ironborn occupying Moat Cailin, promising them food and safe passage if they surrender. When they do surrender, Ramsay has them all flayed alive and displays their skinless bodies along the road to the Moat. Theon is present when Ramsay is introduced to his bride "Arya Stark" who Theon instantly recognizes as Jeyne Poole.

Because Theon was a ward of Winterfell for ten years and is the closest thing to kin "Arya" has, he gives the bride away at the wedding. Jeyne pleads with Theon several times before the wedding to help rescue her. Theon refuses. Ramsay has Theon strip his bride for him and makes Theon watch as he humiliates and degrades her. Theon silently hopes that when Stannis comes he will kill Ramsay Bolton.

When several Bolton men are murdered at Winterfell, Theon is thought a suspect. The idea is quickly dismissed by Roose Bolton, who claims that Theon is too broken and weak to have carried out the murders. The murders cause tension in the castle between the Freys, Boltons, Manderlys and other Northern houses.

The musician at Winterfell "Abel" and six wilding spearwives disguised as maids are actually responsible for some of the deaths and use the confusion in the castle to free "Arya Stark," enlisting the help of a very reluctant Theon. In the end, Theon and Jeyne manage to escape and are caught by Mors Umber who sends them to rendezvous with Stannis's army a few days ride away.

Asha is a captive with Stannis's army and barely recognizes Theon due to his torture at the hands of Ramsay.
 
Yeah it was a really good episode; and didn't try to tell every story.

Why did Margery tell Sansa she was going to marry Loras though? I thought it was only assumed by Sansa in the book, and its obvious that it couldn't be loras, right?
 
Yeah it was a really good episode; and didn't try to tell every story.

Why did Margery tell Sansa she was going to marry Loras though? I thought it was only assumed by Sansa in the book, and its obvious that it couldn't be loras, right?

I assume for the point of the poor viewers so the later depth of dispair she is plunged into will make for a better scene. The have to spell things out for the viewer when we cant see thoughts.
 
I assume for the point of the poor viewers so the later depth of dispair she is plunged into will make for a better scene. The have to spell things out for the viewer when we cant see thoughts.

Yea, I agree it needed to be spelled out but its obvious Loras is part of the kings guard and can't marry. Sansa could have told shae or someone she was going to marry Loras after being told about a vague marriage by Margery. Meh, I shouldn;t get so hung up over something so little :p
 
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