IC-Diamond WATER cooling thread

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Hello there;

I am your UK rep for IC-Diamond thermal paste and I am here to help as much as possible.

In order to make things more efficient we have decided to split the support into two section, in order to comply with the structure of ocuk forums.

Support in this section will be for when IC Diamond has been applied and WATER cooling has been used and then the same but for air under the OC section

Contests and giveaways will always be conducted under the Overclocking and cooling thread, rather than this water-based one.

Cheers all

Frost Dragon
 
Cheers folks and I must say what a lovely welcome to the forum.

Back late last year I performed (for ICD CEO ) a series of WATER BLOCK tests, showing the amount of contact and pressure exerted upon an INTEL IHS.

The reason why I did this test was that differing compounds react in a myriad of ways, dependent on the water block and the cpu. In other words if the CPU is not totally flat and in full contact with the block then thermal paste will react differently.

If anyone is interested I performed a series of contact/ pressure tests (using pressure senstive paper) and the results where quite shocking.

Block used were
Larkcooler I skywater i300
Swiftech Apogee HD
kOOLANCE 370 (the nice space-age silver one)
EK Supremecy full nickel.

The object was not to see which performs the best using our thermal paste as that would be unfair and biased..... instead I performed this test for max pressure/contact to the paper ONLY using the same CPU and motherboard.

If anyone is interested I can post the results and if anyone wants us to test with another waterblock (or their favourite one) I am only too happy to help.

Kindest Regards

Frost Dragon
 
Right here we go

Here are a series of blocks I tested for ICD Ceo a while back.

First up this post is not to tell you WHICH block is the best performing block overall as that would be unfair. All I am saying is (judging by the pressure tests) which blocks seems to have the best overall contact and pressure.

Testing equipment

MSI XPOWER 1 BIG BANG (1366 X58)
Intel core i7 950 cpu
Sensorpod pressure sensitive paper
Blocks on test larkcooler i300, larkcooler wb 500, swiftech apogee hd, ek supremecy full nickel, Koolance 370 and the XSPC RASA.

Please note the same pressure (as best as i could determine by the amount of turns per corner to corner) was used per test. The same motherboard and cpu was employed at all tests. PC was NOT switched on and no TIM was used as this is pressure testing only not heat/performance results.

On most of these tests two mounts were made. First with holes (inlet and outlet) Along
the board and then another mounting placing the same across the motherboard.

key..: WHITE no contact light/spotted pink some contact little pressure, darker the pink more contact until red great contact/pressure

First up EK supremecy Full Nickel

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though the photo is poor quality we can see that though there is lots of contact and pressure on the outer edges we can see little of the same in the centre. This suggests right away that we have a CONCAVE IHS.

Outer edges we have around 60lbs of pressure whilst the centre around 10

Swiftech Apogee HD

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Here we see similar results to that of the EK model but with even less contact at the centre.

Lark cooler I300

Sorry for the single test on this one, as I lost the 2nd results:(

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Here we see only 20lbs of pressure and very little contact through out.

Larkcooler WB 500

here we see only contact at the centre (very good contact and pressure around 60lbs) but no contact anywhere else (this block has a round rather than rectangle base)

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XSPC Rasa (this is a very old block anyway and is EOL)

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Finally the Koolance 370

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On the second mounting this seems to have the overall best contact (around 70%) and around 60lbs of pressure at the edges and 40-50lbs in the centre


That is it for now, so what have we learned. No matter what TIM one may choose, it is not a 'magic bullet' to get a perfectly flat IHS and shows that water blocks on the whole do not make good contact with IHS.

Lapping the cpu will of course address these issues, however many do not do that and when testing blocks or TIM one most have a flat IHS in order to record accurate results.

I admit there could be holes in my testing, that I have not used a pressure gauge to measure things (when testing the pressure on each mounting post) however one thinks that this does however portray an accurate picture on the overall power contact of water blocks on an unlapped CPU.

If anyone wishes i can add more blocks to test, however i no longer have this motherboard and cpu as I have upgraded to a 3960x CPU and a MSI GD65 8D x79a motherboard. However I am happy to do all these tests again using the same blocks and with any additional product that anyone wishes for me to test.

Kindest regards

Frost dragon.
 
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Great results.

I believe Haswell has the most concave surface of all the chips from the last couple of years. I would imagine results would be similar for a 4770k but with less contact in the middle (with the exception of the lark cooler).
 
frostdragon - Welcome to the forums.

Is your presence split into Air and Water because of difference between blocks and heatsinks or because your Thermal Compound Products are more suited to one or the other for various reasons?

I always assumed TIM is TIM irrespective of how you ultimately dissipate the heat but if there is actually a tangible difference with TIM on different cooling methods I would like to hear about that.
 
frostdragon - Welcome to the forums.

Is your presence split into Air and Water because of difference between blocks and heatsinks or because your Thermal Compound Products are more suited to one or the other for various reasons?

I always assumed TIM is TIM irrespective of how you ultimately dissipate the heat but if there is actually a tangible difference with TIM on different cooling methods I would like to hear about that.


Good question:)

No mate, there is no difference, the reason that we have split our presence is that for the reason that OCUK have split the forums that way. Hence cooling and overclocking, then water cooling sub-forums. As a result we have had to adapt accordingly in order to accommodate everyone.

Kindest Regards

Frost Dragon
 
Best way to warm up the TIM and the easiest, is to simply but the tube under your armpit for 10 mins. Well when I say armpit, i mean BARE FLESH armpit (come on i know you want to:P) this heats up the IC-Diamond TIM nicely.

The IC-Diamond TIM should come out nicely now

On INTEL CPU'S UPT O and Including 1366/1150 and 1155 (by IHS size) try putting a 5.5mm sized blob in the centre and letting the heatsink /water block spread it out........ Do not be tempted to look to see how far it has spread as this will introduce oxygen bubbles into the layer.

INTEL CPU 2011 PIN Best way is to Put a blob in the centre 5.5mm in size and then thirds towards EACH corner of the CPU IHS another blob around 2.5mm in size. Making a 5 point pattern..........do not join the dots with TIM as this will be a waste of product as those five points are enough to spread the TIM out along a 2011 pin IHS.

Will post this in this ICD thread, oh will also do photos and a recommended GPU IHS application also.
 
Nice one bud.

That's probably the reason moonman on XS had better results mounting waterblocks 45 degrees. Might also be worthwhile pointing out that certain CPU's have concave/convex IHS's on them so it can balance out in terms of contact.

Used IC-Diamond a lot recently - only problem I have with it is when it comes to removing the block - its like superglue lol!. Instead of just lifting the block off (Almost rips the cpu out of the socket!) it's best to slide it off. It's like there's some super suction in place ;)
 
I used to use ic diamond 7 on my cpu block and had great performance, but like said in the previous post it was like super glue when you wanted to remove the block and that is why i started to use mx4. I would still recommend it though as it is great paste.
 
Zoommee and Briggboy81

Thanks for the great feedback there lads. Indeed the viscosity of IC-Diamond is very high, and this is for a reason. We find that on many makes of TIM (general rule of thumb one could say) the higher the viscosity the more reliable it tends to be during a heat heat environment.

Before joining ICD I tested a number of thermal pastes (and some I tested when i was working with DFI Lanparty, Oscar Wu Jarry Jang jImmy Su and myself were working on the x58 UT TE3H8 motherboard (went over to Taiwan to work with the blokes-solid chaps they were too) we tested a number of thermal pastes. One of them was Shin-etsu 775 x23 (DFI Lanparty bundled it with all LT and UT board called Heat Minotaur) up until I knew about IC-Diamond I always swore by shin-etsu (not many people use it over here for some reason) then when ICD came out (4 years before I joined them) I never looked back.

Rule of thumb High Viscosity= the block issue you both described
HIGH Viscosity= HIGHER RELIABILITY under a high heat environment.

Point I am making if it helps anyone is that LOWER TEMPS are only of half the equation. Reliability is another factor. On many makes of TIM I have found out that in a high heat environment and over a period of time the TIM layer cracks and thus performance loss occurs. What I have found with ICD is that there is no performance loss, due to the TIM over time. Hence why some laptop manufacturers are using is over in the states now.

Anyone whom has ever repaired a playstation, xbox, graphics card or laptop will be aware of these issues and indeed they can be quite frustrating.

As for water block removal I found the easiest way is to twist the block 45 degrees then pull off. Hope that helps:)

First link taken from the ICD Site
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Che422DdlM8

I have no idea whom this gentleman is, It simply came up when looking at the first video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xA0FKzue4I

GPU mounting

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qXl-fu5uARc

Kindest Regards

Frost Dragon
 
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