100% English

My grandfather didnt join the army to fight the Germans to be told by some tit he was part this and part that, he ended up a POW and he did it because he was ENGLISH

I cant even believe CH4 showed this so close to remembrance day, I didnt watch it due to the poor editing off the trailer.
 
cheets64 said:
My grandfather didnt join the army to fight the Germans to be told by some tit he was part this and part that, he ended up a POW and he did it because he was ENGLISH

I cant even believe CH4 showed this so close to remembrance day
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WTF does any of that have to do with being ENGLISH :confused:

I have the deepest respect for every man and woman who fought in both world wars to keep our country and the rest of the world free - including your Grandfather and both of mine.
Both of my Grandfathers were SCOTTISH but they fought the Germans "for King and country" - last time I checked, King George VI was King of the "United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland and the British dominions beyond the seas" - not just England.

The world wars were not just about England, a great many men and women from England, Scotland, Ireland and Wales (as well as many from the Commonwealth and the Empire) gave their lives to protect the world from tyranny.

Let's try to avoid the assumption that the English hold the moral high ground as far as WWII is concerned - war has no part in a debate regarding Englishness :)

Stan :)
 
VIRII said:
English was a term coined a very long time ago to refer to the group of people that lived here at that time. They were the English, a mix of various tribes, no doubt no more "mongrel" than any other "race" of people, no less a distinct people than any other.
Their descendents are English, to be English is to descend from that group of people.
What is the confusion? The peoples of Europe migrated all over the place and different mixes arose, the English are no less distinct than the French, Spanish, Portugese, Italians and so on.
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And you know where the Angles came from...

Think that better terms are "no less mongrel", and "no more distinct than". There have been significant additions to the "English" pool after this too that complicate the matter.
 
Chrisp7 said:
Theres no such thing as a 100% German, Spanish, French etc Its ridiculous.
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Yet some people want to preserve the supposedly distinct bloodline. If no one is a pure anything then isnt it pointless to want to preserve any particular ethnicity ?? I can understand the preservation of culture but wanting to not have mixed ethnicity and mixed marraiges to preserve what is supposedly English seems odd.
 
How 'English' you are depends how far you are willing to go back into your family history and how much of it you want to ignore. You could say we're all African.

However i see that when people talk of nationality it is more about culture and general way of life than actual bloodlines, but then there's always those who think they are great simply because they were born and raised on a certain piece of land.

*put conclusion here*
 
I watched that programme and it just made me really angry. Only a few of you here have realised the real reason behind the way the programme portrayed the participants. An undergraduate anthropologist could have told you the ethnic origins of those people without resorting to DNA tests. I guessed the soldier as eastern European and the woman in Grimsby as being Turkish just by looking at them and I have only a passing interest in the subject.

The sole purpose of such projects is to reinforce in peoples' minds the notion that England doesn't exist and her people have no right to call themselves as such. Those people were deliberately chosen in an effort to prove a point, I bet you could do the same exercise again and prove the exact opposite.

If you wanted to go further you could do the same exercise in Scotland or Ireland and prove that most of them should bugger off back to Scandinavia on the first available North Sea ferry. What the DNA facts actually prove is that your average English person is actually more Celtic in origin that a Scot or Irish yet no one would dare to cast a shadow over their perceived ethnicity for fear of being branded a racist.

De-constructing the English was the sole purpose of the programme and as such has no merit other than to reinforce the current racism that exists towards the English. Eddie Izzard presented a similar program called Mongrel Nation a few years ago with equally spurious conclusions.

It's all a load of PC ********! :mad:
 
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penski said:
The 'English' (as in post-roman, pre-invasion) were driven to North Wales and the farthest reaches of Cornwall.
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No, the Britons were forced to Wales and Cornwall by the invading Anglo-Saxons. The name England is derived from one of the tribes - Angleland.
 
Bear said:
Yet some people want to preserve the supposedly distinct bloodline. If no one is a pure anything then isnt it pointless to want to preserve any particular ethnicity ?? I can understand the preservation of culture but wanting to not have mixed ethnicity and mixed marraiges to preserve what is supposedly English seems odd.
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It's actually a bit like Harry Potter isn't it? Pure bloods and Mud bloods!

Now, where's my wand? ;)
 
One of the British national daily newspapers is asking readers "what
it means to be British?".

This is one from a chap in Switzerland ...

"Being British is about driving in a German car to an Irish pub for a
Belgian beer, grabbing an Indian curry or a Turkish kebab on the way
home, to sit on Swedish furniture and watch American shows on a
Japanese TV. And the most British thing of all? Suspicion of anything
Foreign ".

Funny that....
 
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