1000mi & 1000kWh for £100

Tiamat21 said:
I mean I posted on another online space and got responses like “woah” or “that’s insane” so maybe the “fun” isn’t here. Kinda hard to stay positive with comments like “k” or immediate anti ev tropes.

Genuinely surprised how much the Daily Mail slant has taken hold.
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Dunno where else you're posting but (and please don't take this this wrong way!) your post here is about 3-4 years too late. You also missed the massive thread on page 1 with literally dozens of people chatting about EVs.

Make no mistake, we're all rather well aware of the benefits of EVs but the whole "I'd be contacting the council to get a charger installed" argument has been done to death so many times here that even the most die-hard fans have realised that they're not bringing anything new to the table :D
 
Diddums said:
Make no mistake, we're all rather well aware of the benefits of EVs but the whole "I'd be contacting the council to get a charger installed" argument has been done to death so many times here that even the most die-hard fans have realised that they're not bringing anything new to the table
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Are you saying you shouldn't make your demands or concerns known to your locally elected officials?
 
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Tiamat21 said:
For the past two months (November and October) my leccy with Octopus has been ~£100.

Both those months I’ve travelled about 1000 miles each month and the kWh used has been around 1000.

It’s bonkers how cheap it is to run an ev even during the colder months.
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I bought a GR86 in 2023. I test drove an MG4 Trophy Xpower at the same time. Both were the same price. 18 months later one is still worth 28-29k whereas the other is worth 23-24k. In that time I have done 9k miles. Or about 1.5k worth of fuel in 15 months or 160ish pounds per 1000 miles. I would be out of pocket in the EV as a new private buyer.

Cheap in this context it is not. If you rent your cars through salary tax dodge then fair play you can save money but for the majority if you want to buy new. A EV is a mad proposition at the moment. Even used is a risk without a warranty.
 
Diddums said:
Dunno where else you're posting but (and please don't take this this wrong way!) your post here is about 3-4 years too late. You also missed the massive thread on page 1 with literally dozens of people chatting about EVs.

Make no mistake, we're all rather well aware of the benefits of EVs but the whole "I'd be contacting the council to get a charger installed" argument has been done to death so many times here that even the most die-hard fans have realised that they're not bringing anything new to the table :D
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Maybe I am late, but last year I had a leaf and even then it wasn’t this good. I was using 750kWh in October and December and the price was £170.
I wasn’t on an intelligent tariff so it could be that or it could be the disparity is bigger now. The council thing is rather new too I’m sure it was only in the last 12 months more councils were looking at cable gutters.


Brun said:
How are you getting electricity at 10p/kWh?
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Octopus intelligent go tariff. When your cars charging your whole usage is on 6.7p/kWh.
adam cool dude said:
I bought a GR86 in 2023. I test drove an MG4 Trophy Xpower at the same time. Both were the same price. 18 months later one is still worth 28-29k whereas the other is worth 23-24k. In that time I have done 9k miles. Or about 1.5k worth of fuel in 15 months or 160ish pounds per 1000 miles. I would be out of pocket in the EV as a new private buyer.

Cheap in this context it is not. If you rent your cars through salary tax dodge then fair play you can save money but for the majority if you want to buy new. A EV is a mad proposition at the moment. Even used is a risk without a warranty.
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Most cars (ICE &EV) retain warranty if you buy them used so not sure that’s valid. There’s Tesla Model 3 used for under 15k still with warranty and new for £300 a month for 3 years and hand it back so no worries about depreciation.
So if they can be on parity for depreciation (or if it can be factored out through pcp or whichever one) it’s madness to be spending an extra £1500 a year.

That’s the equivalent of a decent after tax pay raise for the median earner.
 
adam cool dude said:
I bought a GR86 in 2023. I test drove an MG4 Trophy Xpower at the same time. Both were the same price. 18 months later one is still worth 28-29k whereas the other is worth 23-24k. In that time I have done 9k miles. Or about 1.5k worth of fuel in 15 months or 160ish pounds per 1000 miles. I would be out of pocket in the EV as a new private buyer.

Cheap in this context it is not. If you rent your cars through salary tax dodge then fair play you can save money but for the majority if you want to buy new. A EV is a mad proposition at the moment. Even used is a risk without a warranty.
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I’ve saved thousands by switching to my Polestar in August last year. Even with paying for the home charger install I’m still massively in credit, and I find it nicer to drive and live with in every way over an ICE vehicle. After 32k miles I’ve never had an issue with public charging and the Volvo network has meant it’s not different to getting any other vehicle looked at and serviced.

Now, the downside is that I bought it in the middle of the massive depreciation EV’s started to suffer - not at the start, and definitely not at the end. This was unavoidable, as I’d written off my 2017 E Class and NEEDED to buy something, so I took the plunge. I was getting free electric from the military accommodation 8 was staying in so it made sense, and I went from a very nice 2017 car to a decent 2022 car - just over a year old and plenty of warranty rather than staying with a car that was almost 7 years old if I replaced it like-for-like.

Having seen the depreciation of EV’s continue I am now massively out of pocket if I came to sell it, but it’s such a nicer drive and a newer vehicle that I think I made the right choice. I hadn’t been planning to switch to electric so early as I’d only had the Mercedes 2 years, but I managed to force my own hand by accident.

I’m definitely sold on EV’s as a whole, but the market will definitely need a mixture of all sorts (ICE/hybrid/BEV) for the foreseeable unless cheap public rapid charging or lamppost charging become a thing. It’s not for everyone, but I like it.

I just need someone to drive into me in the next year so I can claim on the gap insurance… :D
 
Penfold101 said:
If you can average 3 miles per kWh your electric cost shouldn’t be more than about £25 for 1000 miles if it’s all done at 7p. Thats a much better headline than the thread title…
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If you can average 3 miles per kWh your electric cost shouldn’t be more than about £25 for 1000 miles if it’s all done at 7p.

Dunno man it doesn’t quite have the same ring and doesn’t feel quite as concise :cry: .

I also wanted to get across the impact it has on household usage cost
 
Tiamat21 said:
Maybe I am late, but last year I had a leaf and even then it wasn’t this good. I was using 750kWh in October and December and the price was £170.
I wasn’t on an intelligent tariff so it could be that or it could be the disparity is bigger now. The council thing is rather new too I’m sure it was only in the last 12 months more councils were looking at cable gutters.



Octopus intelligent go tariff. When your cars charging your whole usage is on 6.7p/kWh.

Most cars (ICE &EV) retain warranty if you buy them used so not sure that’s valid. There’s Tesla Model 3 used for under 15k still with warranty and new for £300 a month for 3 years and hand it back so no worries about depreciation.
So if they can be on parity for depreciation (or if it can be factored out through pcp or whichever one) it’s madness to be spending an extra £1500 a year.

That’s the equivalent of a decent after tax pay raise for the median earner.
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I'm not spending an extra £1500 a year though because I have lost 5k in depreciation if I had the EV. Also minus a grand worth of electricity it is only an extra £500 a year on fuel just comparing like for like. Then if you want to get into nitty gritty my insurance for said ICE is a measly £340 a year whereas the EV is closer to a grand so even if you exclude depreciation of the EV it still costs more to run than filling up with dinosaurs.

Also even if I could rent a Tesla for £300 a month (A deal like that doesn't exist it is more around double or even tripple that). That is £10500 in depreciation that I will not suffer as much with my privately bought car and I also have equity to release if I decide to sell after those three years. In fact scrap that a Long range Tesla with next to no deposit on 8k miles a year is over 1k a month! 36 grand over 3 years with nothing to show for it!

I drive my cars because I enjoy them so even if the ICE option cost me more in net worth (which it doesn't). I would still do it anyway as £25 a week in fuel is nothing in the grand scheme of things when a Burger king costs £8 and lasts 10 minutes!
 
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adam cool dude said:
I'm not spending an extra £1500 a year though because I have lost 5k in depreciation if I had the EV. Also minus a grand worth of electricity it is only an extra £500 a year on fuel just comparing like for like. Then if you want to get into nitty gritty my insurance for said ICE is a measly £340 a year whereas the EV is closer to a grand so even if you exclude depreciation of the EV it still costs more to run than filling up with dinosaurs.

Also even if I could rent a Tesla for £300 a month (A deal like that doesn't exist it is more around double or even tripple that). That is £10500 in depreciation that I will not suffer as much with my privately bought car and I also have equity to release if I decide to sell after those three years.
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The offer isn’t on atm but they did the Y on it as well The £300 deal did have a high deposit of £3500 (£4500 for Y). So closer to £400. It did exist though some Reddit threads of people still waiting on their deliveries.

The insurance is definitely a bugger I’ll admit that.
 
Tiamat21 said:
The offer isn’t on atm but they did the Y on it as well The £300 deal did have a high deposit of £3500 (£4500 for Y). So closer to £400. It did exist though some Reddit threads of people still waiting on their deliveries.

The insurance is definitely a bugger I’ll admit that.
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It maybe existed 2 years ago but manufacturers have woken up to the depreciation of EV's you are not getting those deals anymore. A Tesla model 3 long range is 1k a month with 1k deposit on money supermarket for 3 years.
 
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