106 XSi Project Thread

The 1.4 XSi box is as follows:

(Gear) (Ratio) (MPH)
1st = 3.41 - 32
2nd = 1.95 - 55
3rd = 1.35 - 86
4th = 1.05 - 103
5th = 0.85 - 127

With a Final Drive of 4.29

1600 XSi/S2 Rallye Box.


(Gear) (Ratio) (MPH)
1st = 3.41 - 33
2nd = 1.95 - 59
3rd = 1.35 - 91
4th = 1.05 - 109
5th = 0.85 - 134


1600 XSi/S2 Rallye box (Which i may consider depends on which i can get, has the same ratio's as the 1.4 box but with a final drive of 4.06) would ideally like to keep my ratios the same though.

The GTI/VTS box is as follows. (Would work out as those speeds on my current wheels and tyres)

(Gear) (Ratio) (MPH)
1st = 3.471 - 34
2nd = 1.95 - 60
3rd = 1.36 - 87
4th = 1.05 - 112
5th = 0.85 - 138

With a Final drive of 3.938

Doesn't seem like a massive difference in speeds, it will cut the acceleration though, and its putting more strain on the clutch, its only a 1.4 and needs all the help it can get really, so the shorter the better imo.

Hope that makes sense.

Tom.

Edit just corected it for my exact tyre size and rev limit.
 
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TaKeN said:
Get the engine and box complete from GT3 tbh, straight swap or ballache involved?
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Gearbox has gone mate, cos of ultra low mileage got £200 for it alone.

Thomas, worth noting that you can get any box with sport ratios and swap your final drive to make it a 1.4xsi box. So saxo vts, 106gti, s2 rallye etc box.
 
Little update on progress, or severe lack of. Good news and bad news.

Bad news first.

Right so after a lonnngg search i thought i had found what was an xsi gearbox. After umpteen calls to breakers yards, trying to explain to them that yes there are infact different ratio's in the gearboxes, i thought i'd found one. He claimed it was off an XSi, had only covered 47k and was definetly an XSi box. Fantastic i thought, a low mileage example, and he was able to deliver as well.

Cut a long story short, it arrived today, and its not the right one. Its a box off a 1.1 engine. Not happy to say the least. :( was looking forward to getting back on the road.

Anyway, just had a quick boot around all the usual 106 forums, and in a stoke of luck nice person has replied to my wanted ad, with what seems like a sound gearbox. They will be taking a picture of the box and the code this time so I know what i'm getting. hopefully if its all pukka I should be able to have it on by the end of the week.

Other good news, i've ordered a spax PSX adjustable damper suspension kit brand new for £180, instead of about £350 rrp, which should be here at the end of the week too, so it will be being lowered slighlty as well :).
I should emphasise this is not an exercise in "slamming" it to look cool. its to uprate the dampers and improve the handling. will be doing the bushes and strut braces after that as well.
 
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So, picked up the gearbox yesterday, fitted it today on my own which wasn't the easiest thing i've ever done. Anyway got it all bolted back up and sorted, filled it with gearbox oil, and it started to leak from the passenger side drivershaft where it joins the gearbox.

So, off to peugeot to get a a new gearbox seal. got the old one out, fitted the new one, bolted it all back together. More gearbox oil in, and it still leaks, just slower :(

to top things off I tried to start it and it now won't hold an idle. it just cuts out if you let it go below 1400rpm. :mad:

So today i've spent most of my day, fitting a gearbox which still leaks, and spent about £40 on gearbox oil. :mad:

To be honest i'm super peed off with it at the moment. arrgh. rant over.
 
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So, after the first gearbox fiasco, i finally went and picked up the second one. After two days work faffing about with various things I got it fitted. It started to leak immediatley from the passenger side driveshaft seal. So, i fitted a new one. still leaking. Eventually realised I had fitted it the wrong way round (whoops), and fitted it again, driveshaft went in properly, and it was all sorted.

Except now, the clutch has started to slip, presumably from being contaminated with oil, and then being left stood up for the best part of four weeks. :(

Not only that but the car is still refusing to idle at the moment, so i've got to search for a vacuum leak, and test all the sensors.

Pretty annoyed with it all at the moment, and I have to leave it at home now, while I go back to uni, so it will be being fixed after I finish university and have some money for the summer.

also though while the car was off the road, i was bored and needed some new tyres. so managed to pick these black XSi wheels up, with brand new yokohama c drive's for £80. some pics below.

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Old and the new, and my dog wondering what on earth i'm doing.
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I'm not really too sure whats going to happen with the car now, i can't really be bothered anymore for the moment. So i will have another go at it after uni, see if I can crack it back into shape for later part of summer.

Tom.
 
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We've all been there, I think the best thing you can do is leave it for a while then come back and sort it - it's bloody annoying when you spend all that time and go through all that hassle and feel like you're no better off!!

Will be annoying if you need to fit a new clutch though. I guess you checked the condition of the spark plugs/leads/coil for the lumpy idle?

I had pretty much exactly the same problems in the past, the gearbox went, then the radiator spat its dummy out, then I found 2 of the spark plugs had failed, then the brakes went spongy after being sat around for ages, then the battery died. :D

I also know how much fun it is to fit a 'box on your own! Lining it up is fun! Especially when you spend ages doing it, finally get it in and then realise that you've left out the release bearing :D I can laugh at it now but I called the car every name under the sun that day. You're lucky you have all that space. :p

Stick at it, it sounds like you're getting there. It'd be no fun if it all went to plan. ;)

Like the new wheels!

Edit - if you need a hand or anything I'd be more than happy to help you! I'm by no means an expert but sometimes having an extra person to help can make all the difference.
 
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thanks dude.

yeh its been fun having a go at it, the nearest job i've come to doing anything like this before was taking a driveshaft out, and fitting a new cv boot, on a friends car.

I think i'm fairly handy with a spanner so thought i'd have a crack at it. It seems to have gone ok, but i think I'm a lot better at taking things apart than I am putting them back together!

Its just bad luck really that the other things have gone wrong really, everything seems to go wrong at once on these sort of cars. I'm back at university though now, and i think my dad is going to get our mechanic to come and have a look at it.

I'm pretty pleased with the new wheels as well, 80 quid for a new set of tyres, and some rims for the car, doesn't get a lot better than that even if i say so myself. although they aren't a lot of good if the rest of the car isn't working!

Hopefully i'll get it all sorted for the summer, then i can start enjoying it again, rather than cursing at it.

Thanks for the offer of help, very kind of you, i'm back at uni now so can't really do anything else to it. thanks anyway though.

Tom.
 
I bought my wife 106's when she first past her test so have a bit of a soft spot for the little things. She started with an XND which was increadibly slow but a nice little car ideal for a new driver. We bought it brand new and sold it 18 months later for a £300 loss...........yes, that's £300!! She moved from that to a new XSi, the 1.6 version in a lovely metalic red colour and that was a cracking little car though with quite heavy unasisted steering. Very pure little car and good fun but after around 12 months we moved to the new 106 GTi and that was epic fun when it came out, really cracking little car and really sharp and light. Had some great fun in that in Scotland when were drove it across some of the best roads in Britain and still one of my best motoring hoons which says something about the car when you see some of the other cars I've owned and driven.

Good little cars the 106 X's, Rallyes and Gti's when running well but being French they are a little fragile.
 
yeh it is a fantastic little car, not that i've driven a huge amount of other cars. Its just so light, and handles so well. I look forward to driving it just for the fun of driving it, and it just feels awesome everytime I get in and give a good driving, like you say they are fragile little things though. Just can't wait to get mine sorted again, hoping to get some track days under my belt during the later part of the summer, but at the moment its not looking to likely.

£300 loss, thats not bad on a brand new car :eek:

Tom.
 
Thomas. PLease. said:
£300 loss, thats not bad on a brand new car :eek:

Tom.
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Within a few days of buying the car Peugeot put up the price of the car by over £1000 and it rose again sometime after that. Simply bought at the right time and as you say £300 loss on a brand new car is pretty much unheard of.
 
Griffo said:
So can you explain what the term means please Lopez? :) As I am now unsure. "Compare and Contrast on and off-cam." Exam question 1. Answer 3 of 5 questions.
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If you have an engine with a fairly radical cam (i.e. long duration) fitted, they tend to run quite poorly at low speeds due to exhaust gas diluting the air/fuel mixture, and because some of the air/fuel goes straight out of the exhaust port.

Once the engine reaches a certain RPM these negative effects stop happening so you tend to get quite a large increase in torque and the engine starts pulling hard. This is "coming on cam". It's somewhat like VTEC, but with a more pronounced change since the whole point of VTEC is to give a radical cam profile for high RPM power and a mild cam profile for low RPM tractability.
 
So, little update. In the end I decided to get our mechanic to sort the various issues out, as I wanted the car when I get back home from uni. I'm told its all fixed and ready to go, but i'll wait until I get home to confirm that!

In the meantime I received some goodies i ordered a while ago.
A Spax PSX adjustable damper kit, and some uprated springs, as well as an OMP front lower strut brace

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Should help sharpen things up a fair bit, looking forward to get it all fitted and going for a drive! :)
 
Same setup as mine - 40mm yeah? The ride is pretty damn harsh but it handles very well. Got mine set on 8 clicks from fully soft all round.

Make sure you pack the adjusting screws with plenty grease on all the dampers - they can often sieze/ corrode.
 
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