10900k vs 5950x overclocked for gaming

Deleted User 456458 · 26 Jan 2021 at 10:24

https://kingfaris.co.uk/cpu/battle

I've known Faris for a couple of years and he's always very thoughtful in his testing and just sticks to the facts. Unlike mainstream viewers, he'll also list all his timings and the performance he was getting out of the platform for testing so you can directly compare your setup vs his.

Please note all the setups here are stress tested for daily stability. Only on an AIO thus no 'high end' cooling.

Muhammad Islam · 30 Jan 2021 at 21:04

10900k was probably sucking over 300w and it still couldn't beat the 5950x in most cases

Deleted User 456458 · 30 Jan 2021 at 23:59

Muhammad Islam said:
10900k was probably sucking over 300w and it still couldn't bear the 5950x in most cases

In games, 10900k’s pull 400w+

Everyone knows that.

Joxeon · 31 Jan 2021 at 00:25

I'd have used the same psu for both as one has a 1000w titanium while the other has a crappy 750w TX gold which I'm not sure I would want to run a 3090 strix off especially with a PBOd 5950X.

turbot1984 · 31 Jan 2021 at 14:38

Crazy price difference with 10850k around at £370 mark and 5950X at £860?

Destination · 31 Jan 2021 at 15:28

turbot1984 said:
Crazy price difference with 10850k around at £370 mark and 5950X at £860?

Not when its twice as fast in productivity?
Given that any CPU above a 5600x will happily play all of these games at frantic frame rates, the comparisons don't overly mean much, even a 10600k can do this happily.
Its also using a £450 mobo against ryzen on a £200 motherboard.
So the rice comparison pales somewhat.

Destination · 31 Jan 2021 at 15:34

turbot1984 said:
Crazy price difference with 10850k around at £370 mark and 5950X at £860?

Just realised you are not even quoting the price of the chip that was used in the testing.
At 5.4Ghz!!!
I'd love to know what his power consumption actually was.
OcUK sell the 850k at £400, and the 900k at £500. Add to that the £250 extra for the mobo, and there's only about £100 of difference in the two systems.
Which is more than negated by the additional cost of the higher rated PSU also.
Oddly the chaps test benches are probably in and around the same total cost, which might have been an unseen but potentially beneficial component of his testing.

turbot1984 · 31 Jan 2021 at 16:07

Destination said:
Just realised you are not even quoting the price of the chip that was used in the testing.
At 5.4Ghz!!!
I'd love to know what his power consumption actually was.
OcUK sell the 850k at £400, and the 900k at £500. Add to that the £250 extra for the mobo, and there's only about £100 of difference in the two systems.
Which is more than negated by the additional cost of the higher rated PSU also.
Oddly the chaps test benches are probably in and around the same total cost, which might have been an unseen but potentially beneficial component of his testing.

Yeah, noted and I can't get mine to 5.4 maybe 900k's are binned better? Most i have seen with mine is 225W at 5.2, keeps the frost away from my top floor gaming room at least

Destination · 31 Jan 2021 at 16:50

I doubt you will see much perf increase going from 5.2 to 5.4 as its rather unlikely you game at low settings 720p.
In real world the difference will likely be less than a frame, and saving a massive power wastage increase.

humbug · 31 Jan 2021 at 18:26

turbot1984 said:
Crazy price difference with 10850k around at £370 mark and 5950X at £860?

You wouldn't use a 5950X for gaming, 5800X is or even 5600X is just as good if not better. The best one is the 5800X.

Couple of things about this 'review? You may notice the difference between Stock and PBO on these charts is nothing to marginal, Just enabling PBO does little or nothing, all it does is set higher power limits and most motherboard are feeding the CPU plenty out of the box, to overclock Zen 3 you add (insert Mhz here) to the boost and play with the curve optimiser, usually setting negative 10, 15 or 20 and the CPU will run 5Ghz + on all cores in games.

Its what i did, Negative 15, +200Mhz boost and boom..... 5.05Ghz all cores, its so simple, i don't know why these 'apparent? Tech reviewers still haven't learned how to do that.

And 5.4Ghz? either that is a very 'cherrypicked' sample or he's ramming a ton of volts into it, the kind of volts no one in their right mind would run 24/7.

turbot1984 · 31 Jan 2021 at 18:33

humbug said:
And 5.4Ghz? either that is a very 'cherrypicked' sample or he's ramming a ton of volts into it, the kind of volts no one in their right mind would run 24/7.

Thats what I thought.... i backed off at 1.370v temps were mad.
Btw 5ghz+ on yours, what a beast of a cpu

humbug · 31 Jan 2021 at 18:34

turbot1984 said:
Thats what I thought.... i backed off at 1.370v temps were mad.
Btw 5ghz+ on yours, what a beast of a cpu

I like it, and thank you

Deleted User 456458 · 1 Feb 2021 at 11:20

humbug said:
You wouldn't use a 5950X for gaming, 5800X is or even 5600X is just as good if not better. The best one is the 5800X.

Couple of things about this 'review? You may notice the difference between Stock and PBO on these charts is nothing to marginal, Just enabling PBO does little or nothing, all it does is set higher power limits and most motherboard are feeding the CPU plenty out of the box, to overclock Zen 3 you add (insert Mhz here) to the boost and play with the curve optimiser, usually setting negative 10, 15 or 20 and the CPU will run 5Ghz + on all cores in games.

Its what i did, Negative 15, +200Mhz boost and boom..... 5.05Ghz all cores, its so simple, i don't know why these 'apparent? Tech reviewers still haven't learned how to do that.

And 5.4Ghz? either that is a very 'cherrypicked' sample or he's ramming a ton of volts into it, the kind of volts no one in their right mind would run 24/7.

It's in the review: This profile is a 5950X running with PBO2, FMax at +150MHz, PPT/TDC/EDC at 270/190/190, and a stable all-core negative offset of 14. The RAM is overclocked to 3733MHz C14.

Along with all his timings, aida, what it boosted to etc.

pc-guy · 1 Feb 2021 at 11:51

This “test” is nothing but a sham. LOL

nothing in the test has been equalised other than the GPU.

we all know from 3200Mhz to 38000MHz ryzen 3 enjoys a decent performance boost and intel doesn’t really benefit much.

anyway people can spin tests which ever way they like. I am sure there are plenty people out there using £30 air cooler on 10900k under volted to bench it against a ryzen...(not).

humbug · 1 Feb 2021 at 12:40

Meh... i just think its a shame they always seem to plum for the 5950X in "gaming Reviews", that's an expensive CPU, it has 16 cores and 32 threads, its horrendous overkill for games and pretending its a gaming CPU in reviews like this sends completely the wrong message, you wouldn't use anything higher end than the 5800X for gaming.

humbug · 1 Feb 2021 at 12:57

Also...

At 1080p High when games are more graphically bound, the 10900K wins in more titles as the 5950X struggles to keep the large game data in its cache

No both CPU's are just more capable of driving the GPU at this resolution, you were right with the first sentence and then said something completely idiotic.

Part of the 5950X's excellent performance at 720p Low is because of its 32MB cache, allowing it to balance against the relatively slow memory latency.

Good Grief, for one its 64MB of L3, not 32MB, you've just contradicted yourself, it can't both struggle to keep data in cache and at the same time benefit from a large Cache pool, Zen 3 doesn't suffer from "Latency" you're confusing it with Zen 1 and 2, Zen 3 doesn't have a CCX, its a unified CCD, there is no intercore latency. it has a large cache because it has a crap load of cores, the 5800X only has 32MB, with 8 cores its all it needs.

Zen 3 has a 30% higher IPC, that only comes into its own when the GPU is taken out of the equation completely, like in low GPU demand games, E-Sports. Its also the real reason it does much better at 720P than 1080P. The GPU is less the bottleneck.

CS:GO

mikehhhhhhh · 1 Feb 2021 at 13:06

humbug said:
You wouldn't use a 5950X for gaming, 5800X is or even 5600X is just as good if not better. The best one is the 5800X.

Couple of things about this 'review? You may notice the difference between Stock and PBO on these charts is nothing to marginal, Just enabling PBO does little or nothing, all it does is set higher power limits and most motherboard are feeding the CPU plenty out of the box, to overclock Zen 3 you add (insert Mhz here) to the boost and play with the curve optimiser, usually setting negative 10, 15 or 20 and the CPU will run 5Ghz + on all cores in games.

Its what i did, Negative 15, +200Mhz boost and boom..... 5.05Ghz all cores, its so simple, i don't know why these 'apparent? Tech reviewers still haven't learned how to do that.

And 5.4Ghz? either that is a very 'cherrypicked' sample or he's ramming a ton of volts into it, the kind of volts no one in their right mind would run 24/7.

Easy to claim it's easy when you've done well in the silicon lottery

I can't even all core Negative 10 with +100Mhz on my 5800x and keep it stable for more than a few hours at low/bursty loads.

humbug · 1 Feb 2021 at 13:10

mikehhhhhhh said:
Easy to claim it's easy when you've done well in the silicon lottery

I can't even all core Negative 10 with +100Mhz on my 5800x and keep it stable for more than a few hours at low/bursty loads.

Would make a change for me, i couldn't get the 4690K over 4.5Ghz 24/7, the 1600 3.9Ghz, the 3600 4Ghz and i have seen plenty at 4.4Ghz, i will admit tho this 5800X clocks nice, its about time my luck changed

mikehhhhhhh · 1 Feb 2021 at 14:00

humbug said:
Would make a change for me, i couldn't get the 4690K over 4.5Ghz 24/7, the 1600 3.9Ghz, the 3600 4Ghz and i have seen plenty at 4.4Ghz, i will admit tho this 5800X clocks nice, its about time my luck changed

We’ve had a very similar cpu journey! My 4690k was crap too, I had a 3600 after that but I didn’t bother doing anything other than PBO in Ryzen master - I didn’t even benchmark it.

Grim5 · 1 Feb 2021 at 19:46

humbug said:
You wouldn't use a 5950X for gaming, 5800X is or even 5600X is just as good if not better. The best one is the 5800X.

Couple of things about this 'review? You may notice the difference between Stock and PBO on these charts is nothing to marginal, Just enabling PBO does little or nothing, all it does is set higher power limits and most motherboard are feeding the CPU plenty out of the box, to overclock Zen 3 you add (insert Mhz here) to the boost and play with the curve optimiser, usually setting negative 10, 15 or 20 and the CPU will run 5Ghz + on all cores in games.

Its what i did, Negative 15, +200Mhz boost and boom..... 5.05Ghz all cores, its so simple, i don't know why these 'apparent? Tech reviewers still haven't learned how to do that.

And 5.4Ghz? either that is a very 'cherrypicked' sample or he's ramming a ton of volts into it, the kind of volts no one in their right mind would run 24/7.

Latest Hitman 3 game loves Zen 3 and scales well with each model up