13700KF too hot? Dodgy CPU or Dodgy Cooler?

Well I threw more money at it and ordered a meshify 2 XL and liquid freezer 420.

If I can't get it to stop throttling with that I'm throwing it all away lol

Something ain't right currently as I struggle to not throttle with a fair size undervolt never mind trying to OC it. If your on a i9 with a 360 cooler and not throttling when OCing it has to be the cooler surely, and that custom loop also is impressive at 70c

All this for something I actually don't need to worry about too lol. I don't actually use my pc for anything but gaming, but things like this get under my skin and need "fixing" so won't be happy till I can run without throttle on the 10 mins run and get decent scores. Seeing people pull 1.3 to 1.4 volts and not throttle make me jealous as 1.25v causes me issues.

All this aside though isn't it a bit silly that intel sell these that basically can't run properly without huge cooling systems and the need to pull down voltage from out the box?
 
B1gdeano said:
All this for something I actually don't need to worry about too lol. I don't actually use my pc for anything but gaming, but things like this get under my skin and need "fixing" so won't be happy till I can run without throttle on the 10 mins run and get decent scores. Seeing people pull 1.3 to 1.4 volts and not throttle make me jealous as 1.25v causes me issues.
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Thank you very much, sincerely, Arctic Cooling.

B1gdeano said:
All this aside though isn't it a bit silly that intel sell these that basically can't run properly without huge cooling systems and the need to pull down voltage from out the box?
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Who cares if they top the benchmarks :D I'd say you need to buy a non-X or non-K CPU for more realistic out of the box settings nowadays. They do the same thing with GPUs, Polaris was way overvolted at stock and it hasn't improved much :o
 
Tetras said:
Thank you very much, sincerely, Arctic Cooling.



Who cares if they top the benchmarks :D I'd say you need to buy a non-X or non-K CPU for more realistic out of the box settings nowadays. They do the same thing with GPUs, Polaris was way overvolted at stock and it hasn't improved much :o
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Yeah I know. It's an expensive 'problem' I have with things. I can't leave alone when things get under my skin. Computers and cars. I have done and do spend too much fixing not really real problems lol

And yes. It does seem this is the new direction of things
 
So i put my 13900k back to stock. Disabled MCE and TVB back to enabled DC_LL 1.02 AC_LL dropped to 0.16. Adaptive voltage -0.050 and thats it.
CB23 run goes at 5.3gzh now pulling 1.13 at the vcore max watts was 226. Hottest core got to 79 (took a screenshot this time)
At 5.5gzh it seems to be pulling around 1.3 - 1.35... Jumping around a bit
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MCE enabled and TVB +2 This is at 5minutes. Didn't seem to breach 89. Package voltage just a little over.
Now if i didn't tweak the Ac and DC this would probably be 330w. These chips are easy to tame and im no OC genius.....
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Based on that run i could do the fixed 5.5gzh P core at 1.2 -.1.25 i would imagine... Auto is fine im not that pushed for figures
 
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I'm going to keep at getting the load line down. The fact that I have tweaked it and can now enable mce to get similar volts to stock I'm not far away. Some of these boards are just simply to aggressive
 
snarloas1982 said:
MCE enabled and TVB +2 This is at 5minutes. Didn't seem to breach 89. Package voltage just a little over.
Now if i didn't tweak the Ac and DC this would probably be 330w. These chips are easy to tame and im no OC genius.....
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Based on that run i could do the fixed 5.5gzh P core at 1.2 -.1.25 i would imagine... Auto is fine im not that pushed for figures
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I will have another go on these LL settings later

I suspect it's the cooler that's causing mine to play up. My voltages aren't even high really

What's considered a good SP figure btw? I can't say I know anything about it. It's just an Asus thing isn't it?
 
B1gdeano said:
I will have another go on these LL settings later

I suspect it's the cooler that's causing mine to play up. My voltages aren't even high really

What's considered a good SP figure btw? I can't say I know anything about it. It's just an Asus thing isn't it?
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Unsure mate.. I think the i7 is a lower value than the i9. Best to Google or hope someone responds
 
generally speaking SP rating is on predominantly Asus motherboards as I have never heard non asus owners ever mention it. It tends to appear on their mid range board and upwards. As far as I know the Sp rating for I9 or I7 are total seperate entities and not tied to the I9 being higher than the i7 class. So for example a 13700k has an equal chance of a high rating if it from a good batch just like the 13900k has a good chance of a high sp rating if from a good batch.
 
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snarloas1982 said:
So i put my 13900k back to stock. Disabled MCE and TVB back to enabled DC_LL 1.02 AC_LL dropped to 0.16. Adaptive voltage -0.050 and thats it.
CB23 run goes at 5.3gzh now pulling 1.13 at the vcore max watts was 226. Hottest core got to 79 (took a screenshot this time)
At 5.5gzh it seems to be pulling around 1.3 - 1.35... Jumping around a bit
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You’ll find CPUs with very small die areas are very difficult to cool (I think Intels CPUs die areas are quite small)

AMD used a spread out chiplet method which distributes the heat better.

What you can do then is lap your CPU to flatten the CPU surface area and improve contact performance to remove heat better.

It does mean losing any warranty and is a bit extreme but if you have to have the cpu run cooler, it’s a good technique.
 
JollyJamma said:
You’ll find CPUs with very small die areas are very difficult to cool (I think Intels CPUs die areas are quite small)

AMD used a spread out chiplet method which distributes the heat better.

What you can do then is lap your CPU to flatten the CPU surface area and improve contact performance to remove heat better.

It does mean losing any warranty and is a bit extreme but if you have to have the cpu run cooler, it’s a good technique.
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Doesn't the 7950x have to run a constant 95 to get close to 40k? I think my idle and gaming is also lower than the 7950
 
You are going to have a problem if you leave it stock unfortunately. With a little tuning you can get those temps down.
 
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