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1800X To 8700 K 1440P Gaming ?

kitfit1 said:
So not much use as a post to make a point for or against the 8700K, was it.
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What are you going on about? Are we talking at cross purposes here?

You said:

"Plus of course, anything you do in Premier Pro or Lightroom (if you use it) will blow an 8700K out of the water."

When actually in Lightroom the 8700K is one of the strongest CPUs around because Adobe are useless at optimising their software and the 8700K has the strongest single core performance which LR loves.

Yes Threadripper and the i9s will beat an 8700K if you're exporting large batches of photos (which isn't when most people want out and out performance - you just go grab a cup of tea for this bit), but an 1800X isn't going to by any means.
 
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Minstadave said:
What are you going on about? Are we talking at cross purposes here?

You said:

"Plus of course, anything you do in Premier Pro or Lightroom (if you use it) will blow an 8700K out of the water."

When actually in Lightroom the 8700K is one of the strongest CPUs around because Adobe are useless at optimising their software and the 8700K has the strongest single core performance which LR loves.

Yes Threadripper and the i9s will beat an 8700K if you're exporting large batches of photos (which isn't when most people want out and out performance - you just go grab a cup of tea for this bit), but an 1800X isn't going to by any means.
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Is that the fully Meltdown patched 8700k or just the 'trial' Meltdown patch ;)
 
single core performance the new ryzens are 3 percent up on the old ryzen.so they still slower than intel chips for gaming . shame. multi is upto 15 percent though.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
single core performance the new ryzens are 3 percent up on the old ryzen.so they still slower than intel chips for gaming . shame. multi is upto 15 percent though.
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No-one expects them to out-perform the i7-8700K at gaming because they're not going to reach 5 GHz with ease. We don't know the performance increase yet, although it's a decent assumption that the majority of it will be down to clock speed increases.
 
Very marginal upgrade, better to scratch that itch with something else mate.

Update your storage with an Intel Optane 900p SSD for example. Or get something more visceral like a new mechanical keyboard and/or a new gaming mouse.
 
humbug said:
No, like a troll he made it up.

@Dicehunter its not worth it, you're gaining little if anything at all.
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no seen benchies somewhere which shown upto 15 percent multithreaded aps gain over older ryzen and up by 3 percent on single.which still leaves them behind intel for gaming.great for multithreaded stuff though .
 
~>Dg<~ said:
no seen benchies somewhere which shown upto 15 percent multithreaded aps gain over older ryzen and up by 3 percent on single.which still leaves them behind intel for gaming.great for multithreaded stuff though .
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But you're not going to post the link to them. You said the same sort of crap about Ryzen one.

You're making it up, again. If you keep posting the same crap over and over again and it always ends up being utterly wrong eventually no one believes anything you say.
 
kitfit1 said:
At the very very best, it's a sidewards step. There could well be a good argument for it being a backwards step.
As it happens i posted up a Firestrike Extreme bench yesterday, as you can see, from the 8700K below my entry, you would need to be at or above a 5Ghz clock to beat a 1700 at 3.95Ghz using the same GPU.
As Firestrike Extreme is a 2560x1440 bench, it gives you a very good view of the sort of result to expect form CPU and GPU combinations at the res you game at.

  1. 18165, GFX Score 18392, TitanV Air Cooled, Physics Score 36408, CPU 7980XE @4.8 Water Cooled - Kaapstad - Link
  2. 15295, GFX Score 15870, TitanP Water Cooled, Physics Score 28066, CPU 6950X @4.444 Water Cooled - Kaapstad - Link
  3. 15123, GFX Score 15767, TitanP Water Cooled, Physics Score 26260, CPU 6950X @4.2 Water Cooled - Vore - Link
  4. 15038, GFX Score 16239, TitanP Water Cooled, Physics Score 19312, CPU 6800k @4.3 Water Cooled - Gudu55 - Link
  5. 14852, GFX Score 15963, TitanP Water Cooled, Physics Score 19657, CPU 6800k @4.5 Water Cooled - darket - Link
  6. 14820, GFX Score 15708, TitanP Air Cooled, Physics Score 21671, CPU 5960X @4.6 Water Cooled - spiralz - Link
  7. 14710, GFX Score 15569, TitanP Air Cooled, Physics Score 21803, CPU 5960X @4.5 Water Cooled - Combat Fighter - Link
  8. 14668, GFX Score 15118, 1080 Ti Water Cooled, Physics Score 29610, CPU RZ1950X @3.9 Water Cooled - amigafan2003 - Link
  9. 14481, GFX Score 15762, TitanP Air Cooled, Physics Score 22840, CPU 6900k @4.2 Water Cooled - whyscotty - Link
  10. 14456, GFX Score 15781, 1080 Ti Air Cooled, Physics Score 17547, CPU 5930k @4.5 Water Cooled - tyler_jrb - Link
  11. 14342, GFX Score 15820, TitanP Air Cooled, Physics Score 15739, CPU 6700k @4.9 Water Cooled - JR23 - Link
  12. 14169, GFX Score 15527, 1080 Ti Air Cooled, Physics Score 16633, CPU 6850k @4.1 Water Cooled - Gregster - Link
  13. 14160, GFX Score 15470, 1080 Ti Air Cooled, Physics Score 17087, CPU 5820k @4.4 Air Cooled - bigjimmyauk - Link
  14. 14119, GFX Score 15601, 1080 Ti Water Cooled, Physics Score 15879, CPU 7770k @5.0 Water Cooled - Robzere31 - Link
  15. 14091, GFX Score 15327, 1080 Ti Air Cooled, Physics Score 17316, CPU 5820k @4.4 Water Cooled - ciggybumly - Link
  16. 14070, GFX Score 15197, TitanP Water Cooled, Physics Score 17805, CPU 5820k @4.6 Water Cooled - Greebo - Link
  17. 13995, GFX Score 15312, 1080 Ti Water Cooled, Physics Score 16394, CPU 7700k @5.2 Water Cooled - khemist - Link
  18. 13989, GFX Score 15360, 1080 Ti Air Cooled, Physics Score 21148, CPU RZ1700 @3.95 Water Cooled - kitfit1 - Link
  19. 13901, GFX Score 14659, 1080 Ti Air Cooled, Physics Score 21774, CPU 8700k @5.0 Water Cooled - Tris1066 - Link
  20. 13847, GFX Score 15215, 1080 Ti Water Cooled, Physics Score 15981, CPU 7700k @5.0 Water Cooled - Robzere31 - Link
  21. 13633, GFX Score 14748, 1080 Ti Air Cooled, Physics Score 18078, CPU 5820k @4.6 Water Cooled - Ayahuasca - Link
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I've never understood why people respond to questions like these with 3dmark results as its a total best case scenario benchmark and not really relevant to actual gaming performance. If a certain game is well optimised it will pretty much run well on all modern cpu's leaving just the gpu as the bottleneck, but that's not realistic as even today the vast majority of games favour low core counts and higher ipc (favouring intel)and thats showing no signs of changing any time soon.
 
i didnt i just said ryzen would be slower and the new coffeelake would be better for gaming about 3 months before they were out.you were busy telling everyone how ryzen one were faster across the board and spammed the same 30 game benchmark avg trying to prove it wasnt the case.coffeelake came out .you stopped posting it because i was right.lol.

the funny thing is the 7600k i5 beat the top ryzen chip in litterally all games or more than the 1800x won.thats how quick they are ingames.

the new ryzens are just better in mt apps.this is actually good for those that use them for that purpose.the small increase on single is a little dissapointing though as there is no real point in upgrading but then again who thought the newer revision would be ground breaking.its normal.just like the old phenoms.you just got a extra 200mhz oc and less volts over the last revision.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
i didnt i just said ryzen would be slower and the new coffeelake would be better for gaming about 3 months before they were out.you were busy telling everyone how ryzen one were faster across the board and spammed the same 30 game benchmark avg trying to prove it wasnt the case.coffeelake came out .you stopped posting it because i was right.lol.

the funny thing is the 7600k i5 beat the top ryzen chip in litterally all games or more than the 1800x won.thats how quick they are ingames.

the new ryzens are just better in mt apps.this is actually good for those that use them for that purpose.the small increase on single is a little dissapointing though as there is no real point in upgrading but then again who thought the newer revision would be ground breaking.its normal.just like the old phenoms.you just got a extra 200mhz oc and less volts over the last revision.
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More made up crap.
 
~>Dg<~ said:
single core performance the new ryzens are 3 percent up on the old ryzen.so they still slower than intel chips for gaming . shame. multi is upto 15 percent though.
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They are trying to improve latency though which is Ryzen's major weakness and this should be very beneficial for games irrespective of mediocre general IPC improvements.
 
humbug said:
More made up crap.
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Are you really expecting more than single figure percentage gains on single core IPC? I’m not and haven’t seen anything suggested that major IPC gains would be the case. There was a leaked/fake bench the other day that suggested the same.

I suspect we’ll get minor gains in single core but a tweaked IF that benefits multi core workloads. I can’t imagine given that it’s just a tweak to an existing architecture we’d expect major changes, just higher frequencies.
 
it is common sense. just some dont have it. its not a re work of the whole ryzen line up is it. you only have to look at previous revisions and you know what to expect.youll get slightly better oc at lower volts.thats about it.
 
Clocks don’t look very exciting either, maybe another 300mhz if the leaks from last week are true.

Ryzen 8C/16T at 5Ghz would be amazing even without IPC gains but looks unlikely.
 
Minstadave said:
Are you really expecting more than single figure percentage gains on single core IPC? I’m not and haven’t seen anything suggested that major IPC gains would be the case. There was a leaked/fake bench the other day that suggested the same.

I suspect we’ll get minor gains in single core but a tweaked IF that benefits multi core workloads. I can’t imagine given that it’s just a tweak to an existing architecture we’d expect major changes, just higher frequencies.
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I don't expect anything, i'm certainly not going to pull crap out of my rear and proclaim it.
 
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