1800X To 8700 K 1440P Gaming ?

Martini1991 · 24 Mar 2018 at 15:39

humbug said:
Because its cheap and easy, when Ryzen 2 hits it will cost me about £60/£70 to swap my 1600 for a 2600, all i need to do is take the old CPU out of my motherboard and put the new one in, the 1600 goes on the members market, i get most of my money back.

With Intel that will cost you £200 at least because of the depreciation and you have to buy a new Motherboard..

It really does depend how long upgrades continue and if they're up to much.

If I can get another two iterations of an 8 core with 10% core for core improvements each time, I'd personally be happy.

But I'd like expect to require a new motherboard before another massive increase.

gavinh87 · 24 Mar 2018 at 15:43

humbug said:
Because its cheap and easy, when Ryzen 2 hits it will cost me about £60/£70 to swap my 1600 for a 2600, all i need to do is take the old CPU out of my motherboard and put the new one in, the 1600 goes on the members market, i get most of my money back.

With Intel that will cost you £200 at least because of the depreciation and you have to buy a new Motherboard..

Lets say it costs £70 for ryzen + then another £70 for ryzen 7nm. Then you might be able to match the 8700k in games.
So x2 CPU upgrades and 3 years later you might be able to get what others have had since 8700k. I don't see the logic in buying something and expecting to upgrade just to match what is already available.

humbug · 24 Mar 2018 at 15:54

gavinh87 said:
Lets say it costs £70 for ryzen + then another £70 for ryzen 7nm. Then you might be able to match the 8700k in games.
So x2 CPU upgrades and 3 years later you might be able to get what others have had since 8700k. I don't see the logic in buying something and expecting to upgrade just to match what is already available.

Here you go again... i have a GTX 1070, not a GTX 2800TI, it will be a lot of years before i have something with that much grunt.

I don't play game at low settings 720P with 500 FPS, i have a 75Hz 1080P screen, another thing i have is DSR, if i can get around 100 or more minimum frame rates i will up the resolution to 1440P or 4K because it acts like Anti Aliasing and improves colour depth.

WTF would i want with a £200 more expensive 8700K? seriously? it will make no difference to the gaming performance i get now or in the future.

gavinh87 · 24 Mar 2018 at 15:59

humbug said:
Here you go again... i have a GTX 1070, not a GTX 2800TI, it will be a lot of years before i have something with that much grunt.

I don't play game at 1080P with 500 FPS, i have a 75Hz 1080P screen, another thing i have is DSR, if i can get around 100 or more minimum frame rates i will up the resolution to 1440P or 4K because it acts like Anti Aliasing and improves colour depth.

WTF would i want with a £200 more expensive 8700K? seriously? it will make no difference to the gaming performance i get now or in the future.

Because the next xx70 from GPU could well have the same performance as we see in a 1080ti. (Going by history) Which is fine if you like upgrading your CPU at the same time you upgrade your GPU
I am also not trying to convince you to get a 8700k lol. I'm saying anyone that is looking at a ryzen now should keep in mind that you may have to upgrade that CPU just to keep up with what is already available on the shelf right now.
Man you do get angry on these forums

chroniclard · 24 Mar 2018 at 16:03

You wont have to upgrade your Ryzen, you might just get a few percent less FPS than other CPU's.

humbug · 24 Mar 2018 at 16:05

gavinh87 said:
Because the next xx70 from GPU could well have the same performance as we see in a 1080ti. (Going by history) Which is fine if you like upgrading your CPU at the same time you upgrade your GPU
I am also not trying to convince you to get a 8700k lol. I'm saying anyone that is looking at a ryzen now should keep in mind that you may have to upgrade that CPU just to keep up with what is already available on the shelf right now.
Man you do get angry on these forums

I have no doubt it will, i'm probably not going to be buying one, i'm perfectly happy with the 1070 and intend to keep it for another two years but even if i do upgrade in a year or so, i will also have a Ryzen 2600 and i don't play games at low settings 720P for 500 FPS, i told you that in the post you quoted.

gavinh87 · 24 Mar 2018 at 16:12

humbug said:
I have no doubt it will, i'm probably not going to be buying one, i'm perfectly happy with the 1070 and intend to keep it for another two years but even if i do upgrade in a year or so, i will also have a Ryzen 2600 and i don't play games at low settings 720P for 500 FPS, i told you that in the post you quoted.

Then its fine for you, but it won't be for many others

Drollic · 24 Mar 2018 at 16:17

Just be glad you've got either, some of us are stuck on hardware from the Victorian era

DragonQ · 24 Mar 2018 at 16:20

gavinh87 said:
Then its fine for you, but it won't be for many others

I think sales figures disagree. Not everyone (a) solely games, (b) is chasing maximum FPS at any cost.

james_2k · 24 Mar 2018 at 16:22

It’s not a lot more money so hardly any cost.

humbug · 24 Mar 2018 at 16:31

Drollic said:
Just be glad you've got either, some of us are stuck on hardware from the Victorian era

You have a really nice GPU.

sandys · 24 Mar 2018 at 17:49

Drollic said:
Just be glad you've got either, some of us are stuck on hardware from the Victorian era

So unimportant is the CPU IMO that I'd still be running my 3770k now with a few 1080Tis if it wasn't for the fact I dropped a cuppa on my system and fried it. I'll probably change my GPUs a few times before changing my CPU, although the want for extra NVMe would have pushed me ultimately as I have a few TB of those now, z77 wouldn't do that.

Drollic · 24 Mar 2018 at 17:52

sandys said:
So unimportant is the CPU IMO that I'd still be running my 3770k now with a few 1080Tis if it wasn't for the fact I dropped a cuppa on my system and fried it. I'll probably change my GPUs a few times before changing my CPU, although the want for extra NVMe would have pushed me ultimately as I have a few TB of those now, z77 wouldn't do that.

Something like that yes. A few extra frame to take advantage of 144hz would be nice I guess, but can't honestly say it bothers me much.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 24 Mar 2018 at 18:06

sandys said:
So unimportant is the CPU IMO that I'd still be running my 3770k now with a few 1080Tis if it wasn't for the fact I dropped a cuppa on my system and fried it. I'll probably change my GPUs a few times before changing my CPU, although the want for extra NVMe would have pushed me ultimately as I have a few TB of those now, z77 wouldn't do that.

Agreed - I have an IB Core i7 myself with a GTX1080 and its mostly fine at qHD. The only game which gives me issues is hypermodded FO4(even then its due to the settlements),but its based on an ancient engine,but anything newer seems far more GPU limited for me.

james_2k · 24 Mar 2018 at 18:37

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Agreed - I have an IB Core i7 myself with a GTX1080 and its mostly fine at qHD. The only game which gives me issues is hypermodded FO4(even then its due to the settlements),but its based on an ancient engine,but anything newer seems far more GPU limited for me.

unless you are running more than 60hz then you probably wont notice. and if you run gsync/freesync you probably wont notice above that either. but thats not the point, in the future games will be more threaded how much more, who knows, but it will be. also something something intel.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 24 Mar 2018 at 19:51

james_2k said:
unless you are running more than 60hz then you probably wont notice. and if you run gsync/freesync you probably wont notice above that either. but thats not the point, in the future games will be more threaded how much more, who knows, but it will be. also something something intel.

Well if I was upgrading now,only Intel will give me a good bump in performance in FO4,unless Ryzen+ or Ryzen 2 changes things. Its the worst of both worlds,one to two threads really pushed and another 4 not doing much.

james_2k · 24 Mar 2018 at 20:04

yeah two core usage seems to be the de jour in games at the moment. should soon open up though hopefully!

voidshatter · 24 Mar 2018 at 21:11

It's not a silly upgrade. As long as AMD can't reach 5.2GHz stable, it's pretty justifiable to get the 8700K. Not even Intel's own HEDT can beat the 8700k for gaming.

shamus21 · 26 Mar 2018 at 07:49

oldbanana said:
Why buy a 1080ti and gimp it with ryzen ?

sandys · 27 Mar 2018 at 00:31

CAT-THE-FIFTH said:
Agreed - I have an IB Core i7 myself with a GTX1080 and its mostly fine at qHD. The only game which gives me issues is hypermodded FO4(even then its due to the settlements),but its based on an ancient engine,but anything newer seems far more GPU limited for me.

I know nothing of fall out mods but you'll see in the table I posted Fallout 4 got zero benefit from CPU upgrade at 1440p but near double the framerate with more GPU power.

Obviously ivy is a bit older so may be impacted more but you're not doubling your frame rate with a cpu upgrade.