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Skylake has been hovering around £300 for a while now and offers exactly the same performance as Kaby lake.

An ASRock Fatal1ty E3V5 Performance Gaming/OC ATX and a i7 6700 non k seems to offer the best performance. Not to mention overclocking.
 
pieman109 said:
I really hate to say this, but as a 2500K user, the kabylake option is looking quite attractive actually. The i5 7000K coupled up with an Z170 mob thats compatible with the kaby (those Z270 mobos are quite costly and I don't even know what have the stuff on them is for let alone need it) The other mobo I'd consider is one of the non o/clocking versions ,the B250/H270 providing it still boosts the cpu in games to a higher clock speed.
I'd also like to know what they're gonna do with the Skylake chips as I reckon they're dead in the water if they don't drop the price across the range.

And Martini1991 is absolutely correct, value of the pound drops, everything costs more, especially if the price is set in dollars, as are cpus, its called devaluation of the pound.:)
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You could always see what AMD will do with their lineup before jumping in with Kabylake?

You might get AMD's i5 7600k equivalent cheaper and it might even come with HT so you could end up going from a 4c/4t to a 4c/8t CPU that is not only higher IPC per core but with an extra 4 threads for the games that use 4+ threads
 
pieman109 said:
I really hate to say this, but as a 2500K user, the kabylake option is looking quite attractive actually. The i5 7000K coupled up with an Z170 mob thats compatible with the kaby (those Z270 mobos are quite costly and I don't even know what have the stuff on them is for let alone need it) The other mobo I'd consider is one of the non o/clocking versions ,the B250/H270 providing it still boosts the cpu in games to a higher clock speed.
I'd also like to know what they're gonna do with the Skylake chips as I reckon they're dead in the water if they don't drop the price across the range.

And Martini1991 is absolutely correct, value of the pound drops, everything costs more, especially if the price is set in dollars, as are cpus, its called devaluation of the pound.:)
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We'll agree to disagree on that one. I think it's a lot of money for not too much gain. If I could swap for say, £300, I'd think about it, but needing cpu, mobo, RAM and cooler starts getting a bit lumpy.
 
Lol @ Martini spouting his own special brand of knowledge as usual;.

Yes prices have gone up, i3's at near £200. 7700K @ £350 launch price...

Maybe a trip to specsavers... Also calling people crazy or on the crazy scale or whatever you called that guy because they disagree with you makes you look crazy yourself. But in an actual sort of you actually might be crazy way.

Anyways, take it easy, but yeah them prices sure have gone up. And performance improvements have sure gone down.
 
Jumper118 said:
Its ever since they put the memory controller on the chip and they don't have North Bridge or ht link on the motherboard. Sandy can't base clock oc much and ivy was a little better but still poor.

Now Haswell and skylake and Broadwell are artificially locked down as unlocked Haswell chips and Broadwell chips sit at 170-190mhz quite happily. Skylake can do 500+ base clock but the locked chips are locked on the vase clock as well. There is a bios you can get for most z170 boards which unlocks it and you loose power saving and the avx instructions, but it allows you to oc them as high as a k chip.
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Ah that makes sense. It doesn't really sound like it's worth it tbh, like most have said OCing was fun mostly because you'd be able to get a decent machine even with a modest budget.

DragonQ said:
Isn't it obvious why Intel would prefer people pay more money for faster CPUs rather than buy cheaper ones and overclock them manually? I'm guessing not many people paid £1000 for a 0th generation Core i7 CPU that did 3.2 GHz when you could buy a £230 one that could easily do 4 GHz. Same thing happened with the "1st" generation chips and when Sandy Bridge came along they decided to lock down the base clock so there was no longer a choice for overclockers.
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Yeah it makes total sense from a business perspective, but my question is why didn't it make business sense to do so in the past. From what it appears is because OCing has become a lot more maintstream?
 
robfosters said:
We'll agree to disagree on that one. I think it's a lot of money for not too much gain. If I could swap for say, £300, I'd think about it, but needing cpu, mobo, RAM and cooler starts getting a bit lumpy.
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I tend to agree with you there mate, but its a difference between "need" and "want";) I don't need an upgrade atm, but I want new shiny things and I'm in a position to scratch the upgrade itch.:p
 
There is another explanation as to why Intel's offerings have seen diminishing returns over the years, and it is NOT simply down to lack of competition or a business decision. They are simply out of ideas. They're spent. They have advanced the technology as far as they can, and cannot squeeze anymore out of it. But why? Well, in 1986 a man arrived from the future. With him he carried the technical specifications for the next 25 years of CPU technology. No one knew who he was or how he came to be in the year 1986, but one day he appeared at Intel headquarters carrying a briefcase. His only request in exchange for this information was a size-able amount of Intel shares. He then disappeared and was never heard from or seen again. The rest, of course, is history, but Intel used all the tech given to them by 2011.... coincidentally the last time we saw a CPU generation with appreciable gains on the last. They have strung things out as much as they could, but now have nowhere to go. They are left floundering, incompetent and largely bereft of ideas. After all, they haven't had to come up with anything themselves for more than a quarter of a century! Essentially their so-called 'engineers' are nothing more than assembly line workers, putting together someone else's work.

So there you have it... the truth is exposed. I must leave now, I have said too much.
 
Boomstick777 said:
Lol @ Martini spouting his own special brand of knowledge as usual;.

Yes prices have gone up, i3's at near £200. 7700K @ £350 launch price...

Maybe a trip to specsavers... Also calling people crazy or on the crazy scale or whatever you called that guy because they disagree with you makes you look crazy yourself. But in an actual sort of you actually might be crazy way.

Anyways, take it easy, but yeah them prices sure have gone up. And performance improvements have sure gone down.
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I don't think anyone is disputing the prices haven't risen in the UK, yes an i7 now costs around £80-£100 more than it did 5 years ago, but it isn't down to Intel that those costs have gone up by that much.

The math is pretty simple;

In 2011 I bought a i5 3570k for £175

Intel sold that at list price of $235

The exchange rate at the time was $1.62 to £1.

So 235 / 1.62 = £145.06p
£145.06 + vat = £174.07 (pretty much spot on what I paid)

Apply that same equation to the newest i5 7600k;

Intel sell that at list price of $243

The exchange rate in the last few weeks has hovered around $1.2-$1.24 to £1 so I'll go smack in the middle of $1.22/£1

So 243 / 1.22 = £199.18
£199.18 + vat = £239.01 (pretty much exactly what they are being sold at)

The only thing that has changed significantly in that 5 years is our own currency.
 
I don't get people like boomstick.
I called a guy crazy for thinking they're good prices and he's calling me out. While at the same time berating me because I'm saying there's no price increase.
No wonder I rarely post anymore when people are so toxic.
 
jigger said:
Prices have gone up and costs have gone down. Performance has gone nowhere.
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It's becoming depressing now. They promise much but offer bugger all, Yet still charge the earth. They are turning into evil greedy corporations who would churn out a shiny **** each year if they thought someone would pay £300 for it.

Mind you, they are certainly not the only company like that. *cough* Apple *cough*
 
robfosters said:
They'll be a disappointment as usual don't worry. Oh well, keeps my money in my purse, I mean wallet, for a while longer.
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I'm inclined to agree, but then go back to thinking they'll get within 5-10% of Kabylake for less money in which case, plenty of 4c8t i7 users together with older gen i5 users will switch to 6c8t zen. Coffee lake will then release within 12-14 months using Kaby lake architecture and offer a better 6c8t chip leading to price wars. If more games release utilising more cores and threads, most people will then regret not buying a 5820k binned bundle Q1 15 :D

If zen performance is competitive, I'd imagine most 4c8t i7 owners will decide on the 6c8t chips ability to overclock. If it's terrible, they'll wait for main stream 6c8t coffee lake. i5 owners from haswell down will possibly switch anyway, or start buying second hand i7s to drop in to tide them over for another year or two.
 
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