Soldato
What a waste of a good node shrink. All that power saving has been wasted on crappy GPU that never gets used.
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What a waste of a good node shrink. All that power saving has been wasted on crappy GPU that never gets used.
Soldato
I helped a friend upgrade from a 2500K this evening. He was dead set on the i5 but from benchmarks it really wasn't worth an entire platform upgrade and with the launch of Kaby, he found a 6700K that had dropped in price massively. Having a scan through the more budget motherboards, the MSI Z170A Tomahawk ticked all the boxes, but there are so many great Z170 motherboards around £110, with Z270 you are lucky to get a board - let alone one with heatsinks on the VRMs.
However his upgrade was out of necessity as his mobo was on the brink. I think if you have a reliable system now then I would wait for Zen. Or at least see if prices on skylake and z170 drop at all.
Caporegime
Its great, but not really any more great than what it replaced, hence in many peoples opinion. It is not worthy of the hype.
I do love responding to your posts Jigger.... its so easy as there all to often ill informed rants completely devoid of facts
I have already shown that prices have not gone up (IN us $'S) when adjusted for inflation.... (ITS POINTLESS RANTING THAT YOUR CPU COSTS MORE NOW DUE TO STERLING LOSING VALUE AGAINST THE US DOLLAR - THATS NOTHING TO DO WITH INTEL!)
the 7700k has a US MSRP of $339 - $350 ......
Its simply not true that Intel have ramped up the price of their I7 CPU's over previous gens in recent years.
The price we pay fluctuates due to the £/$ exchange rate and (especially with Skylake) shortages in the retail channels (in was candidly admitted on these forums last year by a member of ocuk staff that retailers in general were making much larger percentages than normal on Skylake chips as the demand was far outstripping the supply so retailers could charge a bigger premium.)
I have previously demonstrated that Intel have NOT ramped up their pricing in recent years... Its just not true!
Previously posted........
Current Intel recommended pricing for the 6700k ...... $350!
http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
Adjusted for inflation in $ the 6700K is not more expensive then your 2600k at launch ($317 in January of 2011) Allowing for inflation = circa $350 in 2016 money!
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/2...ge-core-i5-2500k-core-i7-2600k-review/?page=3
The price we pay fluctuates due to the £/$ exchange rate and (especially with Skylake) shortages in the retail channels (in was candidly admitted on these forums last year by a member of ocuk staff that retailers in general were making much larger percentages than normal on Skylake chips as the demand was far outstripping the supply so retailers could charge a bigger premium.)
I have previously demonstrated that Intel have NOT ramped up their pricing in recent years... Its just not true!
Previously posted........
Current Intel recommended pricing for the 6700k ...... $350!
http://ark.intel.com/products/88195/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-Processor-8M-Cache-up-to-4_20-GHz
Adjusted for inflation in $ the 6700K is not more expensive then your 2600k at launch ($317 in January of 2011) Allowing for inflation = circa $350 in 2016 money!
http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/2...ge-core-i5-2500k-core-i7-2600k-review/?page=3
Intel's R + D spend has Skyrocketed of late as they have tried to keep shrinking the processes used to make their CPU's
From 2005 to 2015 they went from being 13th to 3rd in the list of top total R+D spend worldwide across all companies with the R + D spend increasing in that time from $5.145bn for the four quarters in 2005 to 12.128bn for the four quarters in 2015
source: https://ycharts.com/companies/INTC/r_and_d_expense
If Intel had just increased the R + D in line with Inflation in US $'s they would have spent about $6.25bn so they not far of DOUBLED there R + D spend in REAL TERMS in that period.
Even since 2011 when the Sandybridge 2600K came out there spend has increased massively with the four quarter of 2011 coming in at a little over $6.43bn so the bulk of the increase is since Sandybridge came out!
The cost reductions for using a smaller process don't come close to compensating for this with the cost of a 300mm diameter CPU wafer being around $5,000
A 6700K die is around 122.4mm2...
so some quick math's shows that a wafer has a size of around 70,685mm2 (pie x radius squared)
that's around 570 dies worth of space on a wafer... now wafers are round and CPU die's are square or rectangular so there's some wastage so lets say its actually 500 dies per $5,000 wafer that's $10 per wafer so even if the die's were twice the size on the wafer the cost for the wafer part would only be around $20!
That's not going to recoup the massive R + D costs incurred for going to ever smaller processes
The Intel Pentium Processor Extreme Edition 955 launched at the end of 2005 had a dies size of 162mm2 for a CPU that cost $999 at launch.
That would be enough for around 436 dies with no wastage so say around 400 with wastage from a $5,000 wafer that's a whole $12.5 dollars per wafer a saving of $2.5 from the reduction in die size for the cost of the wafer from the P4 to the 6700k!
'Prices have gone up and costs have gone down'
No they haven't! What a load of nonsense
*It should be noted that some of the die's on a wafer will be found to be defective in some way and will either have to be discarded or used for cheaper products (i.e only using some cores) but my examples give a good idea of the actual costs for the wafer size and the 'savings' made by reducing the manufacturing process size
HAHAHHAH no please stop it!! I cant take it any more!!!!. Please name your benchmarks / games etc and we can pit my two year old Haswell-E i7 5820k overclocked against your i5 overclocked as well..... hell I even disable two cores to even things up a bit!! I cant wait to see who gets 'ruined'
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Soldato
So they spent umpteen billion dollars and have **** all to show for it.
Not at all stock clocks have increased and power usage has dropped lots. Both or which are more relevant in an era where portability and battery life are big concerns
0% IPC gain over Skylake = great. Mmmm. Well, Skylake was great, so I guess that's logical.
Of course, it was never meant to sway anyone on Skylake, only those with 4-5 year old CPUs. Only that doesn't seem to be working so well based on the comments here. Maybe that's because if they didn't already upgrade to Skylake then WHY THE HELL ARE THEY GOING TO PAY EVEN MORE FOR AN IDENTICAL CPU!??
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Soldato
You have to remember that 8 Pack lives in a world where he doesn't pay for CPUs and doesn't require real world performance to improve, only a number on a screen.
Soldato
Kabylake is Skylake +200Mhz. No IPC increase, very boring for everyone apart from those benchmarking all day/chasing WR.
I recommend everyone to wait for the 8800k (Coffeelake) which will have 6 cores instead of 4 (Intel is finally increasing core count for the mainstream with Coffeelake) if their current CPU is Ivy or newer.
PCI-E V4 might even be out by the time Coffeelake 8800k arrives.
Yay you're back. Please do tell me how £300 is the same as £200 again. I could do with a laugh
I can't wait. Coffee lake the same CPU again but with PCIE-4
Because of the exchange rate? Do you need it spelt out to you again? Or are you just a vacuous troll? You could do with doing some reading and research not a laugh........
You made a claim..... I showed it not to be true with references and calculations to back me up.... you have got literally nothing to back your claim up and say that my post is spam!!!????
You get 'ruined' every time I reply to you! you have got literally nothing.
picked your benchmarks yet and warmed up your 2500k? I'm waiting....
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Nice drop in power usage Intel. GG
Depends what you doing.... a drop from 10.2w to 0.5w when decoding 4K 10-bit HEVC is pretty good if your watching video on a mobile device.....
http://www.pcworld.com/article/3111...ings-to-know-about-intels-kaby-lake-cpus.html
Soldato
Firstly those are Intel's numbers. Never trust someone who wants to sell you something.
Secondly how many people are actually doing that. Maybe it's just me but watching 4K on a screen that's no bigger than 15" seems a bit pointless.
Associate
Nice to see the i3-6100 has taken a ~£15 price drop 
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-62m-in.html
I'm really only interested in these 2c/4t pentiums, especially that 60 quiddish one. Could make for a rather nice little budget htpc with some gaming chops. Other than that though, Kaby is quite boring, but we all knew what it was going to be; Kaby had all the leaks.
Oh, and these Pentiums don't support ECC memory anymore
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-62m-in.html
I'm really only interested in these 2c/4t pentiums, especially that 60 quiddish one. Could make for a rather nice little budget htpc with some gaming chops. Other than that though, Kaby is quite boring, but we all knew what it was going to be; Kaby had all the leaks.
Oh, and these Pentiums don't support ECC memory anymore
Still got a Sandy Bridge Celeron in my HTPC. Would need a GTX 1050 for HEVC 2160p decoding but haven't got a 4K TV yet so won't bother. To be honest you don't need HyperThreading for an HTPC unless you want to run emulators or something, but in that case I'd go i5 or better.Nice to see the i3-6100 has taken a ~£15 price drop
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/inte...ocket-lga1151-processor-retail-cp-62m-in.html
I'm really only interested in these 2c/4t pentiums, especially that 60 quiddish one. Could make for a rather nice little budget htpc with some gaming chops. Other than that though, Kaby is quite boring, but we all knew what it was going to be; Kaby had all the leaks.
Oh, and these Pentiums don't support ECC memory anymore
What wold intel have to gain by lying? It would be relatively easy to test if you had access to the hardware. People view laptop screens from a closer distance on average than a desktop so higher res counts the new hardware will also help at lower resolutions' as well by dropping power consumption
Have you taken AMD at their word re ryzen? Or are you just trolling?
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