Competitor rules

FoxEye · 7 Jul 2019 at 09:45

TNA said:
I see what you are saying, but you are not taking architectural improvements into account. Look at the difference from Maxwell to Kepler, both 28nm as I recall?

My guess is it will come out 2020, don’t care what JHH says, he said something like that about 4-5 months before Turing came out also. I expect the 3080 will easily beat 2080Ti performance and trounce the RT performance.

4K8KW10 said:
AMD will have videocards that are faster, much cheaper and drawing less power than RTX 2080 Ti in 2020.

Well personally I think the "much cheaper" aspect is extremely unlikely to happen. AMD don't want to be much cheaper these days.

Second they have just about matched nV's performance and power usage with a significant node advantage. When nVidia reduce that advantage suddenly AMD are going to pull away out of sight? Again, that doesn't match with reality.

TNA · 7 Jul 2019 at 09:49

FoxEye said:
Well personally I think the "much cheaper" aspect is extremely unlikely to happen. AMD don't want to be much cheaper these days.

Second they have just about matched nV's performance and power usage with a significant node advantage. When nVidia reduce that advantage suddenly AMD are going to pull away out of sight? Again, that doesn't match with reality.

To be honest I should not have quoted his whole post as I was just replying to what he said about nvidia cards. Not the last sentence.

FoxEye · 7 Jul 2019 at 09:54

TNA said:
To be honest I should not have quoted his whole post as I was just replying to what he said about nvidia cards. Not the last sentence.

I'd love to see AMD pull ahead of nVidia, because who doesn't love an underdog, but... nVidia aren't Intel. I just can't see nVidia allowing themselves to not have a significantly faster card than the 2080 Ti in 2020.

StarShock · 7 Jul 2019 at 10:08

FoxEye said:
I'd love to see AMD pull ahead of nVidia, because who doesn't love an underdog, but... nVidia aren't Intel. I just can't see nVidia allowing themselves to not have a significantly faster card than the 2080 Ti in 2020.

This is worth remembering, of the 3 of them nvidia has the least diverse product range, if AMD dont sell GPUs they can still sell cpus or consoles, Intel have their hands in a bunch of pies, networking, SSDs, modems. Nvidia, try as they might, basically only do one thing. So they will fight tooth and nail to hold on to that market share. That includes every dirty trick they can get away with. But also hopefully means that when ever amd and soon Intel offer them competition, they will react fast.

4K8KW10 · 7 Jul 2019 at 11:13

TNA said:
I see what you are saying, but you are not taking architectural improvements into account. Look at the difference from Maxwell to Kepler, both 28nm as I recall?

I think nvidia cannot improve its architecture further. I think currently it's maxed out already.

FoxEye said:
Well personally I think the "much cheaper" aspect is extremely unlikely to happen.

RTX 2080 Ti price range begins at 1000 quid and goes all the way up to 1900 quid https://www.overclockers.co.uk/evga...ddr6-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-31s-ea.html

If you think AMD is stupid to not challenge this with a 650-700 quid card, you are in a mistake

Gibbo · 7 Jul 2019 at 11:17

Hi there

To answer some questions:
Shop is not open
Online orders be shipped tomorrow for delivery Tuesday
Sapphire and Powercolor NAVI stock we have 1000 units
Some Ryzen 3 cpus in stock and rest due Monday

5700 XT and 5700 are great value !!

FoxEye · 7 Jul 2019 at 11:19

4K8KW10 said:
I think nvidia cannot improve its architecture further. I think currently it's maxed out already.

Really? Really? Come on, now. Surely you are in a mistake.

4K8KW10 · 7 Jul 2019 at 11:23

FoxEye said:
Really? Really? Come on, now. Surely you are in a mistake.

Why? Look at intel's IPC improvements over the years. From Sandy Bridge in 2010 till Coffelake today in 2019, did they manage to get 20% IPC improvement?

FoxEye · 7 Jul 2019 at 11:24

4K8KW10 said:
Why? Look at intel's IPC improvements over the years. From Sandy Bridge in 2010 till Coffelake today in 2019, did they manage to get 20% IPC improvement?

Because there's no evidence for your claim that nVidia can't improve their architecture or performance.

No evidence at all.

4K8KW10 · 7 Jul 2019 at 11:30

FoxEye said:
Because there's no evidence for your claim that nVidia can't improve their architecture or performance.

No evidence at all.

There is an evidence that Turing is a very strong architecture without weak areas.
Also, this is my forecast based on information on recent and past products. We'll see if it is correct next year.

willhub · 7 Jul 2019 at 11:31

Gibbo said:
Hi there

To answer some questions:
Shop is not open
Online orders be shipped tomorrow for delivery Tuesday
Sapphire and Powercolor NAVI stock we have 1000 units
Some Ryzen 3 cpus in stock and rest due Monday

5700 XT and 5700 are great value !!

Come on whip them out I want to see the goods !!!

Jono8 · 7 Jul 2019 at 11:42

willhub said:
Come on whip them out I want to see the goods !!!

That's what she said.

Hades · 7 Jul 2019 at 12:16

Dontrocktheboat · 7 Jul 2019 at 12:57

Gibbo said:
Hi there

To answer some questions:
Shop is not open
Online orders be shipped tomorrow for delivery Tuesday
Sapphire and Powercolor NAVI stock we have 1000 units
Some Ryzen 3 cpus in stock and rest due Monday

5700 XT and 5700 are great value !!

Nice nice gibbo

That's what we like to hear! Hope u got lots of haribos.

Gibbo · 7 Jul 2019 at 13:52

Go grab them guys:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...4-487&sSort=1&ckMin=30095&ckMax=46896&ckTab=0

schneeb · 7 Jul 2019 at 14:04

Gibbo said:
Go grab them guys:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-c...4-487&sSort=1&ckMin=30095&ckMax=46896&ckTab=0

came here confused they weren't in the 5700 section yet :confused:

flea.rider · 7 Jul 2019 at 14:04

@Gibbo what about the motherboards and cpu's ?

Gibbo · 7 Jul 2019 at 14:11

flea.rider said:
@Gibbo what about the motherboards and cpu's ?

Hi there

As for some the sections are not populating you can find product here:

Ryzen 3000 Processors:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/processors?ckSuppliers=34&sSort=1&ckTab=0

Motherboards:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/motherboards?sPage=1&sSort=1

NAVI Graphics cards:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/graphics-cards/amd?sPage=1&sSort=1

Our recommendations:
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/processors/amd/amd-ryzen-3rd-gen

Good luck guys and sorry our site is not populating sections and making it easy for all to find....

4K8KW10 · 7 Jul 2019 at 16:15

FoxEye said:
Well since it isn't due until 2020, even if AMD reach 2080 ti performance (which I doubt), it'll be up against the 3080/Ti by then anyhow.

You were right, I was wrong. I now also don't see how AMD will find 60% more performance over the Navi 10 to equal RTX 2080 Ti.
I was confused, I thought the missing performance is between 30 and 40%.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/28.html

muon · 7 Jul 2019 at 16:29

4K8KW10 said:
You were right, I was wrong. I now also don't see how AMD will find 60% more performance over the Navi 10 to equal RTX 2080 Ti.
I was confused, I thought the missing performance is between 30 and 40%.

https://www.techpowerup.com/review/amd-radeon-rx-5700-xt/28.html

The gap between Radeon VII and 2080Ti is 35-40%. That's the gap to close.

The Radeon VII is 331mm^2 and doesn't use the better shaders in the 5700XT.

Remember the 2080ti die size is is 775mm^2.

It's possible but it is likely power consumption will get in the way. At 500mm^2 it might get close. Nvidia also wasted a lot of die space with RT cores and stuff, so they should be able to respond easily if they give up on that.

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