2.4Ghz Conroe runs Super Pi

FrankJH · 6 Apr 2006 at 10:15

NathanE said:
Funny that... seeings as any new P4 motherboard (with the revised power circuitry) supports Conroe. Seriously, £200 is server/workstation pricing. £100 is consumer and £150 is enthusiast. You'll be able to pick up Conroe boards well under £100 no problems.

Just reporting what was being stated on here not so long ago - the cpu's will be cheap but the mobo's wont be.

Off hunting to try and find where I read it

/edit right this isnt the one i was thinking of but this thread:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17547657&highlight=conroe+motherboard

talks about £160 mobo's for full conroe support ( and with 975X boards costing £140 not giving full conroe support, £160+ for full support seems a reasonable guess)

I am sure somewhere close by someone was guestimating approx £200 though

To My mind I think desktop mobo's are getting rediculously pricey , £100 (ex vat) for a mobo is a good figure for a good performer, but when you get over the £150 mark i think its taking liberties. I know they are the heart in one sense of our sytems, and a badly designed one can cripple a decent cpu / gpu etc but even so still think the price of these are rising too rapidly

Dutch Guy · 6 Apr 2006 at 11:54

Conroe kinda proves the P4 architecture was flawed from the beginning.

Exiting times ahead though

Pr0t0c0L · 6 Apr 2006 at 12:08

wesley said:
Conroe 2.4ghz will replace my oldie P4 'c' 2.4ghz main rig, cant wait!

same here

2.4ghz 4mb 670 is gonna be a bargain

NathanE · 6 Apr 2006 at 12:39

FrankJH said:
Just reporting what was being stated on here not so long ago - the cpu's will be cheap but the mobo's wont be.

Off hunting to try and find where I read it

/edit right this isnt the one i was thinking of but this thread:

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=17547657&highlight=conroe+motherboard

talks about £160 mobo's for full conroe support ( and with 975X boards costing £140 not giving full conroe support, £160+ for full support seems a reasonable guess)

I am sure somewhere close by someone was guestimating approx £200 though

To My mind I think desktop mobo's are getting rediculously pricey , £100 (ex vat) for a mobo is a good figure for a good performer, but when you get over the £150 mark i think its taking liberties. I know they are the heart in one sense of our sytems, and a badly designed one can cripple a decent cpu / gpu etc but even so still think the price of these are rising too rapidly

Conroe isn't out yet so there's no way anybody can suggest what the motherboard prices will be. I'd also remark that this forum is possibly one of the worst places you could use to get your Intel information from on the whole Internet. 90% of the facts & figures about Intel here are just FUD, scaremongering or just plain fanboyism for the other side (aware of pun.)

There's no way I will believe for one second that Intel intends to launch its new all-singing-all-dancing architecture with expensive motherboards though. Have you seen the prices of the Conroe chips? There is one model (maybe more) that'll be going for well under £200. There's no way Intel will expect people buying that chip to also buy a ridiculously expensive motherboard.

Goksly · 6 Apr 2006 at 13:11

We wont get them at that price. I say add at least £50 across the board.

easyrider · 6 Apr 2006 at 13:31

NathanE said:
Conroe isn't out yet so there's no way anybody can suggest what the motherboard prices will be. I'd also remark that this forum is possibly one of the worst places you could use to get your Intel information from on the whole Internet. 90% of the facts & figures about Intel here are just FUD, scaremongering or just plain fanboyism for the other side (aware of pun.)

There's no way I will believe for one second that Intel intends to launch its new all-singing-all-dancing architecture with expensive motherboards though. Have you seen the prices of the Conroe chips? There is one model (maybe more) that'll be going for well under £200. There's no way Intel will expect people buying that chip to also buy a ridiculously expensive motherboard.

The intel mobo's are always more expensive i see 150 quid not far off at launch.

Durzel · 6 Apr 2006 at 13:39

Call me cynical but I can't see CPUs & motherboards coming down radically in price, and I can't believe Conroe is going to be positioned at sub-£200 when its shaping up to be faster than an FX60 costing almost 4 times as much.

Also theres the issue of shortages when Conroe is first launched. I fully expect to see the first consumer-available chips changing hands for twice their price.

I could be completely wrong though, and it wouldn't be the first time.

Dutch Guy · 6 Apr 2006 at 13:45

Durzel said:
Call me cynical but I can't see CPUs & motherboards coming down radically in price, and I can't believe Conroe is going to be positioned at sub-£200 when its shaping up to be faster than an FX60 costing almost 4 times as much.

Also theres the issue of shortages when Conroe is first launched. I fully expect to see the first consumer-available chips changing hands for twice their price.

I could be completely wrong though, and it wouldn't be the first time.

I agree, I seriously doubt a Conroe setup will be cheap compared to a AMD setup when it is released

Explicit · 6 Apr 2006 at 14:03

AWPC said:
CPU price is up and its been revised downwards!

http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=1619

E6700 (2.67Ghz) = $530 Approx £353 (1.5 average UK exchange rate)
E6600 (2.40Ghz) = $316 Approx £210 (1.5 average UK exchange rate)
E6400 (2.13Ghz) = $244 Approx £163 (1.5 average UK exchange rate)
E6300 (1.86Ghz) = $209 Approx £140 (1.5 average UK exchange rate)

If these get the usual $-£ approx 1.5 conversion rate then as you can see stunning prices for the power on display. Who in their right mind would want a £500-750 AMD CPU now.

Looks as though Intel are going straight for the AMD jugular!

Unfortunately we Brits always get ripped off when it comes to things like this.

Take the current AMD FX60:

US Price $1015 (about £578 GBP)
Actual UK £751

Thats a 30% increase over the actual exchange rate

I wouldn't be surprised if the prices were something like:

1 GBP = 1.75317 USD (www.xe.com)

E6700 (2.67Ghz) = $530 Approx £302 = £392 @ British rip off rates
E6600 (2.40Ghz) = $316 Approx £180 = £234 @ British rip off rates
E6400 (2.13Ghz) = $244 Approx £139 = £180 @ British rip off rates
E6300 (1.86Ghz) = $209 Approx £119 = £154 @ British rip off rates

Obviously that's all speculation at the moment.

spookywillow · 6 Apr 2006 at 14:09

that sounds about right Explicit, i've seen many many items on US websites that sell for the same amount of ??? over here as the y do $$$ over there,

ie; 2 sticks of ram (or whatever) $150 same ram over here ?150 no justice in the world i tell ya :rolleyes:

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Durzel · 6 Apr 2006 at 15:56

Explicit said:
Unfortunately we Brits always get ripped off when it comes to things like this.

Take the current AMD FX60:

US Price $1015 (about £578 GBP)
Actual UK £751

Thats a 30% increase over the actual exchange rate

I wouldn't be surprised if the prices were something like:

1 GBP = 1.75317 USD (www.xe.com)

E6700 (2.67Ghz) = $530 Approx £302 = £392 @ British rip off rates
E6600 (2.40Ghz) = $316 Approx £180 = £234 @ British rip off rates
E6400 (2.13Ghz) = $244 Approx £139 = £180 @ British rip off rates
E6300 (1.86Ghz) = $209 Approx £119 = £154 @ British rip off rates

Obviously that's all speculation at the moment.

That's probably right.. it definitely won't be a direct US/UK conversion so those prices seem about right. Time will tell I guess.

My biggest concern about Conroe is that I'm postponing a major upgrade for it, and Im pretty sure I'm not the only person to do this

... Ive not seen this much hype about a CPU for a long time, so it is possible that we might not see the chips over here for quite a while after they just come out in the States. I can't afford to be waiting until December this year to pick up a 2.67Ghz Conroe.

I have a bad feeling we will be in an identical situation that we had with the X800 XTs when they first came out, zero or near-zero numbers of them in the UK, very very little numbers in the States. Guess it depends on how easy Intel find it to manufacture them I guess, plus there is every chance they might decide to limit production to whip up a feeding frenzy ala Xbox360....

Some food for thought.

weescott · 6 Apr 2006 at 16:27

monkeypants said:
Weescott's going to have a job re-organising that table once these things come out.

Nnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

marc2003 · 6 Apr 2006 at 16:57

i can't believe people have concerns about availability. these are mainstream parts, not specialist like highend gpus. and as mentioned in plenty of threads, intel have plenty of capacity do they not? and i would imagine the number of retail chips will be a mere drop in the ocean compared to the numbers they will be shifting to major oems such as dell etc......

m3csl2004 · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:02

marc2003 said:
i can't believe people have concerns about availability. these are mainstream parts, not specialist like highend gpus. and as mentioned in plenty of threads, intel have plenty of capacity do they not? and i would imagine the number of retail chips will be a mere drop in the ocean compared to the numbers they will be shifting to major oems such as dell etc......

my thoughts exactly - not like these are mobile cpus or anything, there gonna be replacing the smithfield/preslers out currently, and theres plenty of them

m3csl2004 · 6 Apr 2006 at 17:05

NathanE said:
Conroe isn't out yet so there's no way anybody can suggest what the motherboard prices will be. I'd also remark that this forum is possibly one of the worst places you could use to get your Intel information from on the whole Internet. 90% of the facts & figures about Intel here are just FUD, scaremongering or just plain fanboyism for the other side (aware of pun.)

There's no way I will believe for one second that Intel intends to launch its new all-singing-all-dancing architecture with expensive motherboards though. Have you seen the prices of the Conroe chips? There is one model (maybe more) that'll be going for well under £200. There's no way Intel will expect people buying that chip to also buy a ridiculously expensive motherboard.

motherboards based on 975x will be a bit dearer than the current 975 boards i would imagine

edit: sorry never relised id already posted once :rolleyes:

Matteysan · 6 Apr 2006 at 20:23

I will defently be holding out for conroe after most of the results ive seen so far & i wont mind paying over the odds for one either to be honest, Intel are looking good this year

NathanE · 6 Apr 2006 at 20:36

marc2003 said:
i can't believe people have concerns about availability. these are mainstream parts, not specialist like highend gpus. and as mentioned in plenty of threads, intel have plenty of capacity do they not? and i would imagine the number of retail chips will be a mere drop in the ocean compared to the numbers they will be shifting to major oems such as dell etc......

Yup I was thinking this too. People don't seem to realise that Intel intends to switch ~50% of its production over to Core architecture CPUs by the end of the year! That is massively fast and if they pull it off (which I have no reason to believe they won't) then there certainly aren't going to be supply problems and nor will their be need for prices to be high.

AMD have hurt Intel and they ain't happy. The best way Intel can get back at AMD is by releasing a quality product at a relatively low price. And that, IMO, is exactly what they are planning to do.

All this talk about 875/X chipsets is also moot. Intel will kick the production of that chipset (or whichever chipset(s) Conroe needs) into high gear as soon as they start mass producing Conroe's to ensure there will be no motherboard supply or pricing problems.

AWPC · 6 Apr 2006 at 21:38

A lot of current 955X/975X mobos may even work with Conroe as the 2 biggest issues are:

1: The lower vcore needs to be 1.1-1.2 Volts.

2: The mobo must support DDR2-667.

A lot of 975X mobo makers left off 3 capacitors to save money which would have allowed full Conroe support. For the ones who made the 975X the way it should be then a bios update may solve the lower vcore issue.

The new Conroe ready mobos will probably be in the £130-175 range as Intel always bundle lots of USB+SATA+RAID+Firewire etc etc and force the mobo makers to include all the features which is why they cost so much to buy in the first place. Even then still gonna be a bargain when you consider approx £450 gets you a very fast CPU+mobo for 40-50%less than current AMD equivalent performance.

Cannot say I am very happy as paid £164 in Jan06 for my now obsolete mobo that is currently neither Conroe or 965XE ready due to Asus not following Intels guidelines!

FrankJH · 6 Apr 2006 at 22:19

Thank you everyone for backing up my earlier thoughts, the reasoning is sound and the prices I mentioned arent far off what they are now- and with added componants therefore have to be more expensive, so what i suggested wasnt too far off the mark

Admittedly nothing has been released yet, but its a pretty good guesstimate

Naffa · 6 Apr 2006 at 22:53

so Conroe looks to be the winner this year then.. all i want to know is.. do AMD have something to pull out of their sleeve? :eek:

my spider sense say not but what do all you say?