2005 Australian Grand Prix - Time and most likely spoilers later. :D
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Just finished watching it on Japanese TV. (They were showing it delayed.... but [almost] as Live).
Well, pretty dull race.
I happen to think you guys are over-reacting as usual to Schumi retiring. I personally couldn't see anything wrong in Schumi closing the door on Heidfeld. Its not as if Heidfeld was along side him. I'm also pretty sure if that Schumacher who had T-boned Kimi in the same situation you lot would have been saying Kimi was right to block and Schumi was an idiot
Anyway, racing accident AFAIK.
JPM was seriously unimpressive.
Kimi was quick but hampered by his stall. If he hadn't, I think he could have won because he had the pace.
Suprised by Coulthard's pace.
Barrichello, uninspiring drive, but got a good result.
Nice drive by Fisi.
I recorded the race myself on my PVR...... but nothing really of major interest on there. I suppose the best bit of the coverage I got was the rather fit Japanese co-presenter..... She may know the same amount about F1 as Jim 'The Count' Rosenthal..... but she's a hell of a lot better looking
EDIT:
Having said that..... McLaren didn't look as good as preserving tyres. The Renault and Ferrari (looking at Rubens) look very tyre friendly.
BAR has really dropped off the pace as well.
Looking forward to seeing what happens in Malaysia.... because it will be hot. See how many engines hold up
Well, pretty dull race.
I happen to think you guys are over-reacting as usual to Schumi retiring. I personally couldn't see anything wrong in Schumi closing the door on Heidfeld. Its not as if Heidfeld was along side him. I'm also pretty sure if that Schumacher who had T-boned Kimi in the same situation you lot would have been saying Kimi was right to block and Schumi was an idiot
Anyway, racing accident AFAIK.
JPM was seriously unimpressive.
Kimi was quick but hampered by his stall. If he hadn't, I think he could have won because he had the pace.
Suprised by Coulthard's pace.
Barrichello, uninspiring drive, but got a good result.
Nice drive by Fisi.
I recorded the race myself on my PVR...... but nothing really of major interest on there. I suppose the best bit of the coverage I got was the rather fit Japanese co-presenter..... She may know the same amount about F1 as Jim 'The Count' Rosenthal..... but she's a hell of a lot better looking
EDIT:
Having said that..... McLaren didn't look as good as preserving tyres. The Renault and Ferrari (looking at Rubens) look very tyre friendly.
BAR has really dropped off the pace as well.
Looking forward to seeing what happens in Malaysia.... because it will be hot. See how many engines hold up
Official Results of Australian Grand Prix 2005
Race Results.
Fastest Laps.
Pit Stops
Race Results.
Code:
[b]Pos No Driver Team Laps Time Grid Points[/b]
1 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 57 1:24:17.336 1 10
2 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 57 +5.5 secs 11 8
3 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 57 +6.7 secs 13 6
4 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 57 +16.1 secs 5 5
5 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 57 +16.9 secs 3 4
6 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 57 +35.0 secs 9 3
7 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 57 +38.9 secs 6 2
8 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 57 +39.6 secs 10 1
9 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 57 +63.1 secs 2
10 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 57 +64.3 secs 18
Ret 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 56 +1 Lap 8
12 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 56 +1 Lap 15
13 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 56 +1 Lap 4
Ret 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 55 +2 Laps 20
15 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 55 +2 Laps 12
16 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 55 +2 Laps 14
17 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 53 +4 Laps 16
Ret 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 42 +15 Laps 19
Ret 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 42 +15 Laps 7
Ret 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 16 +41 Laps 17Fastest Laps.
Code:
[b]Pos No Driver Team Lap Time Speed Laptime[/b]
1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 24 14:43:06 222.807 1:25.683
2 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 55 15:28:42 222.001 1:25.994
3 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 54 15:27:21 221.386 1:26.233
4 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 55 15:29:22 221.329 1:26.255
5 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 55 15:29:50 221.316 1:26.260
6 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 38 15:04:15 221.314 1:26.261
7 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 41 15:08:11 220.976 1:26.393
8 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 37 15:02:17 220.720 1:26.493
9 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 56 15:31:39 220.611 1:26.536
10 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 39 15:05:33 220.379 1:26.627
11 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 40 15:06:40 220.219 1:26.690
12 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 38 15:04:07 219.803 1:26.854
13 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 55 15:29:46 219.704 1:26.893
14 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 56 15:31:11 219.142 1:27.116
15 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 54 15:28:57 217.571 1:27.745
16 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 36 15:01:41 217.244 1:27.877
17 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 36 15:02:13 217.014 1:27.970
18 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 16 14:31:49 214.505 1:28.999
19 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 22 14:42:43 205.604 1:32.852
20 21 Christijan Albers Minardi-Cosworth 11 14:24:56 204.960 1:33.144Pit Stops
Code:
[b]Stop No Driver Time Lap Time of day Time Total time[/b]
1 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 15 14:31:15 24.700 24.700
1 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 18 14:33:58 22.279 22.279
1 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 18 14:34:05 24.102 24.102
1 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 18 14:34:49 23.528 23.528
1 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 19 14:35:57 21.802 21.802
1 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 19 14:36:18 26.634 26.634
1 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 20 14:36:56 23.535 23.535
1 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 20 14:37:04 22.961 22.961
1 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 20 14:37:31 23.219 23.219
1 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 21 14:38:22 22.696 22.696
1 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 21 14:38:55 22.884 22.884
2 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 21 14:39:22 23.684 45.486
1 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 22 14:40:25 21.839 21.839
1 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 23 14:41:09 21.566 21.566
1 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 23 14:41:28 23.120 23.120
1 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 25 14:44:22 21.252 21.252
1 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 25 14:44:30 21.921 21.921
1 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 25 14:44:56 19.951 19.951
1 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 26 14:46:25 20.825 20.825
1 12 Felipe Massa Sauber-Petronas 27 14:47:56 25.924 25.924
2 16 Jarno Trulli Toyota 36 15:01:11 22.190 44.469
2 20 Patrick Friesacher Minardi-Cosworth 34 15:01:36 27.694 52.394
2 18 Tiago Monteiro Jordan-Toyota 36 15:02:54 26.593 50.121
2 7 Mark Webber Williams-BMW 39 15:05:11 23.361 46.896
2 9 Kimi Räikkönen McLaren-Mercedes 39 15:05:39 22.684 42.635
2 11 Jacques Villeneuve Sauber-Petronas 39 15:06:05 23.348 45.187
2 19 Narain Karthikeyan Jordan-Toyota 39 15:06:46 22.987 49.621
2 15 Christian Klien Red Bull Racing 40 15:06:58 23.150 46.111
2 8 Nick Heidfeld Williams-BMW 40 15:07:00 23.660 47.762
2 4 Takuma Sato BAR-Honda 40 15:07:35 24.279 47.498
3 17 Ralf Schumacher Toyota 40 15:07:46 20.103 1:05.589
2 3 Jenson Button BAR-Honda 41 15:09:01 24.357 47.241
2 6 Giancarlo Fisichella Renault 42 15:09:18 19.546 41.112
2 14 David Coulthard Red Bull Racing 42 15:09:35 20.679 43.375
2 10 Juan Pablo Montoya McLaren-Mercedes 42 15:09:42 20.803 43.923
2 1 Michael Schumacher Ferrari 42 15:10:03 19.803 40.628
2 2 Rubens Barrichello Ferrari 43 15:11:01 19.885 41.137
2 5 Fernando Alonso Renault 45 15:14:00 18.751 40.672Sharknose said:I suppose the best bit of the coverage I got was the rather fit Japanese co-presenter..... She may know the same amount about F1 as Jim 'The Count' Rosenthal..... but she's a hell of a lot better looking
Pictures goddamnit! You can't say that without any proof whatsoever!
Simon/~Flibster
Flibster said:Pictures goddamnit! You can't say that without any proof whatsoever!
Simon/~Flibster
Ohhh now you ******* ask!!!
As it was a dull race, I ended up deleting it from the PVR.
OK, will have a dig around see what I can find
She's bound to have done some modelling (all the young female presenters do that here. Its the only reason why I watch 'Learning English' programmes).Anything spouted from the mouth of Paul Stoddart yet since the end of the GP?? I sure there's been some more handbags at dawn stuff in the press between Todt and him
Soldato
I fell asleep and missed the last 10 laps then woke up just as it was finishing 
Soldato
Watched the whole thing live this morning........I'm just up
Wasn't the most exciting Grand Prix but it was certainly more entertaining than last year. I was VERY impressed with Red Bull Racing, it would have been great if Coulthard had gootten 3rd. I think everybody was playing it safe though, not knowing how long the tyres would last, the engines would last etc etc, the next Grand Prix will be a good test for the engines. I'm still quite worried about some of the regulations, there seems to be a lot of confusion......
Wasn't the most exciting Grand Prix but it was certainly more entertaining than last year. I was VERY impressed with Red Bull Racing, it would have been great if Coulthard had gootten 3rd. I think everybody was playing it safe though, not knowing how long the tyres would last, the engines would last etc etc, the next Grand Prix will be a good test for the engines. I'm still quite worried about some of the regulations, there seems to be a lot of confusion......
Well it was a quiet race but on that performance the only two teams that are doing well are Ferrari and Renault. Good result for Rubens to get 2nd from such a low qual position. Plus that isnt even the full 2005 car (can see Ferrari dominating a bit more this season). BAR are playing funny with the regulations, doesnt bode to well .
Will be interesting at the next race weekend to see how many engines survive (the ones that went the full distance here mind ).
And
to some of the Schuey comments.
.Will be interesting at the next race weekend to see how many engines survive (the ones that went the full distance here mind
).And
to some of the Schuey comments.Arc said:And
The accident was his fault. There was no space to move across into - but he did it anyway.
He's always going on about driver should use their mirrors more. Looks like he should as well.
It's not the first time he's done anything like that though. Montoya, Hill, Villeneuve...
As for him being in a danberous position - he wasn't. He was in the gravel - If his nose was still on the track, then yes - that is a dangerous position and he should be able to be pushed free.
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Soldato
Flibster said:
Well said. I agree with all of that.
Soldato
What a boring race
Did we watch the same race? I thought that was particularly disappointing from a Ferrari point of view - MS fastest lap from 0.5 off the Renaults, last year in Oz they were 2 sec faster! How you can say they will be dominating a bit I don't know!Arc said:
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glad i decided to watch the re-run and not stay up as that was definately not worth staying up for.
about 3 exciting overtakes in the whole race and that was about it.
about 3 exciting overtakes in the whole race and that was about it.
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a sign of things to come this season? I certainly hope not. That was seriously uninspiring, and wont be doing anything for viewing figures. Best bit of action was either schmaker doing his bit for england by wiping out the germans or alonso and villenueve in their corner over taking antics.
Jenson seemed really peeved at his result, judging by how he reacted to louise goodmans comment about his cheeky pit on the last lap.
I found myself watching more of hte blackburn v everton match than the GP. What a disaster.
or alonso and villenueve in their corner over taking antics. Jenson seemed really peeved at his result, judging by how he reacted to louise goodmans comment about his cheeky pit on the last lap.
I found myself watching more of hte blackburn v everton match than the GP. What a disaster.
Flibster said:
If his nose was on the track he would be able to drive away without the need for a push. The dangerous position is where someone could collide with him if they couldn't stop (eg the end of a straight)
MS looked in his mirrors didn't see him and moved once to the inside. Heidfield was was not passing him, locked up went onto the grass. Heidfield could/should have taken the racing line and and would have got a run into the next sequence of corners.
Flibster said:
It was not
. Hefield should have been a little more aware (he aint the best F1 driver in the world and it showed). Your allowed to move once to cover and even then you have to look at the position of the cars, Hefield would never have been able to make the pass. Schuey moved and Hefield didnt react correctly. Instead of lifting off and/or braking he simply steered right and went on the grass, lack of experience from a supposedly experienced driver.Flibster said:
Fibster, you are telling fibs now
. Do you count the run off area from a very tight slow speed corner from as dangerous, I know I do. Especially as muck and debris is now littering the track due to Hefield going for a little offroad lesson. Its in the rules, if the engine is still running and your in a dangerous position then he is allowed to be pushed out by the martials (he was going to retire anyway so it makes no odds what happens).With all this talk you'd think there was a consipracy involving Ferrari and the FIA
.clv101 said:
Because that wasnt the 2005 Ferrari that raced at Albert Park, just read my post again, especially the bit you quoted where I point that fact out
. Not sure where MS would have finished but from Rubens point of view it was a fantastic race, 12th to 2nd. Finishing only 6 seconds or so behind Fisichella who qualified on pole tells you something.Arc said:
From my memory of the Heidfeld/Schumi clash Heidfeld had nowhere to go, he was already hard on the brakes when schumi moved over, he couldn't ease off more or brake any more, he was simply on the inside of schumi during braking and schumi moved over forcing him onto the grass.
I'd have to see a pic of where schumi was to decide if he should have been pushed but from memory I thought it would have been safer for the marshalls to push schumi to the side. I mean they have to recover Heidfeld's car as well, which is in just as dangerous a place. There would have been yellows waved for both of the cars so other drivers should have been taking it easy.
Schumacher is the only driver I remember in recent years that has ever had a push from the gravel - one time I think could have been in spain where he was quite near the track and far from the barrier and IMO it was better to have him pushed back into action (even though I would have been cursing at the time). Usually (for most drivers) when they beach their car on the gravel their race is over.
The race seemed kind of boring though, I think I actually missed seeing Michael's car up front, and it could have been so good to watch him racing through the pack and finishing in the points like usual.
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When i was watching it, it looked to me more like Schu actually touched Heidfield and more shunted him across than just made him move out the away.
Soldato
Guess I watched a different race, as I found it nailbiting. But then being a scot and a die hard DC supporter I had someone to root for The coverage was awful though, one minute it shows a RB engineer holding a nose cone then 4 laps later somehow DC has lost two places through the pitstops and zero coverage or explanation was offered, also the cameras were always following the abysmal MS who was doing nothing in the rear!!
The coverage was awful though, one minute it shows a RB engineer holding a nose cone then 4 laps later somehow DC has lost two places through the pitstops and zero coverage or explanation was offered, also the cameras were always following the abysmal MS who was doing nothing in the rear!!