2005 Australian Grand Prix - Time and most likely spoilers later. :D

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I'll put all the official stats up later this morning. In the mean time...I'm off to bed. :D
Got to get up in 4 hours... :(

Morning all. :D

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Just finished watching it on Japanese TV. (They were showing it delayed.... but [almost] as Live).

Well, pretty dull race.
I happen to think you guys are over-reacting as usual to Schumi retiring. I personally couldn't see anything wrong in Schumi closing the door on Heidfeld. Its not as if Heidfeld was along side him. I'm also pretty sure if that Schumacher who had T-boned Kimi in the same situation you lot would have been saying Kimi was right to block and Schumi was an idiot ;)

Anyway, racing accident AFAIK.

JPM was seriously unimpressive.
Kimi was quick but hampered by his stall. If he hadn't, I think he could have won because he had the pace.
Suprised by Coulthard's pace.
Barrichello, uninspiring drive, but got a good result.

Nice drive by Fisi.

I recorded the race myself on my PVR...... but nothing really of major interest on there. I suppose the best bit of the coverage I got was the rather fit Japanese co-presenter..... She may know the same amount about F1 as Jim 'The Count' Rosenthal..... but she's a hell of a lot better looking ;)


EDIT:
Having said that..... McLaren didn't look as good as preserving tyres. The Renault and Ferrari (looking at Rubens) look very tyre friendly.
BAR has really dropped off the pace as well.
Looking forward to seeing what happens in Malaysia.... because it will be hot. See how many engines hold up :)
 
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Official Results of Australian Grand Prix 2005

Race Results.
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[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Laps	Time		Grid	Points[/b]
1	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			57	1:24:17.336	1	10 
2	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			57	+5.5 secs	11	8 
3	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			57	+6.7 secs	13	6 
4	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		57	+16.1 secs	5	5 
5	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		57	+16.9 secs	3	4 
6	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	57	+35.0 secs	9	3 
7	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		57	+38.9 secs	6	2 
8	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	57	+39.6 secs	10	1 
9	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			57	+63.1 secs	2	 
10	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		57	+64.3 secs	18	 
Ret	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		56	+1 Lap		8	 
12	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			56	+1 Lap		15	 
13	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		56	+1 Lap		4	 
Ret	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		55	+2 Laps		20	 
15	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		55	+2 Laps		12	 
16	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		55	+2 Laps		14	 
17	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	53	+4 Laps		16	 
Ret	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			42	+15 Laps	19	 
Ret	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		42	+15 Laps	7	 
Ret	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	16	+41 Laps	17

Fastest Laps.

Code:
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Lap	Time		Speed	 Laptime[/b]
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			24	14:43:06	222.807	 1:25.683 
2	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			55	15:28:42	222.001	 1:25.994 
3	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			54	15:27:21	221.386	 1:26.233 
4	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	55	15:29:22	221.329	 1:26.255 
5	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		55	15:29:50	221.316	 1:26.260 
6	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			38	15:04:15	221.314	 1:26.261 
7	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	41	15:08:11	220.976	 1:26.393 
8	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		37	15:02:17	220.720	 1:26.493 
9	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			56	15:31:39	220.611	 1:26.536 
10	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		39	15:05:33	220.379	 1:26.627 
11	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		40	15:06:40	220.219	 1:26.690 
12	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		38	15:04:07	219.803	 1:26.854 
13	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		55	15:29:46	219.704	 1:26.893 
14	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			56	15:31:11	219.142	 1:27.116 
15	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		54	15:28:57	217.571	 1:27.745 
16	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		36	15:01:41	217.244	 1:27.877 
17	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		36	15:02:13	217.014	 1:27.970 
18	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		16	14:31:49	214.505	 1:28.999 
19	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	22	14:42:43	205.604	 1:32.852 
20	21	Christijan Albers	Minardi-Cosworth	11	14:24:56	204.960	 1:33.144

Pit Stops

Code:
[b]Stop	No	Driver			Time			Lap	Time of day	Time	Total time[/b]
1	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	15	14:31:15	24.700	24.700 
1	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			18	14:33:58	22.279	22.279 
1	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		18	14:34:05	24.102	24.102 
1	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		18	14:34:49	23.528	23.528 
1	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			19	14:35:57	21.802	21.802 
1	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		19	14:36:18	26.634	26.634 
1	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		20	14:36:56	23.535	23.535 
1	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		20	14:37:04	22.961	22.961 
1	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		20	14:37:31	23.219	23.219 
1	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		21	14:38:22	22.696	22.696 
1	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		21	14:38:55	22.884	22.884 
2	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			21	14:39:22	23.684	45.486 
1	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		22	14:40:25	21.839	21.839 
1	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			23	14:41:09	21.566	21.566 
1	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	23	14:41:28	23.120	23.120 
1	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			25	14:44:22	21.252	21.252 
1	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			25	14:44:30	21.921	21.921 
1	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	25	14:44:56	19.951	19.951 
1	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			26	14:46:25	20.825	20.825 
1	12	Felipe Massa		Sauber-Petronas		27	14:47:56	25.924	25.924 
2	16	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			36	15:01:11	22.190	44.469 
2	20	Patrick Friesacher	Minardi-Cosworth	34	15:01:36	27.694	52.394 
2	18	Tiago Monteiro		Jordan-Toyota		36	15:02:54	26.593	50.121 
2	7	Mark Webber		Williams-BMW		39	15:05:11	23.361	46.896 
2	9	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	39	15:05:39	22.684	42.635 
2	11	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-Petronas		39	15:06:05	23.348	45.187 
2	19	Narain Karthikeyan	Jordan-Toyota		39	15:06:46	22.987	49.621 
2	15	Christian Klien		Red Bull Racing		40	15:06:58	23.150	46.111 
2	8	Nick Heidfeld		Williams-BMW		40	15:07:00	23.660	47.762 
2	4	Takuma Sato		BAR-Honda		40	15:07:35	24.279	47.498 
3	17	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			40	15:07:46	20.103	1:05.589 
2	3	Jenson Button		BAR-Honda		41	15:09:01	24.357	47.241 
2	6	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			42	15:09:18	19.546	41.112 
2	14	David Coulthard		Red Bull Racing		42	15:09:35	20.679	43.375 
2	10	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	42	15:09:42	20.803	43.923 
2	1	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			42	15:10:03	19.803	40.628 
2	2	Rubens Barrichello	Ferrari			43	15:11:01	19.885	41.137 
2	5	Fernando Alonso		Renault			45	15:14:00	18.751	40.672
 
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Sharknose said:
I suppose the best bit of the coverage I got was the rather fit Japanese co-presenter..... She may know the same amount about F1 as Jim 'The Count' Rosenthal..... but she's a hell of a lot better looking ;)

Pictures goddamnit! You can't say that without any proof whatsoever! :D ;)

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Flibster said:
Pictures goddamnit! You can't say that without any proof whatsoever! :D ;)

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Ohhh now you ******* ask!!! :)

As it was a dull race, I ended up deleting it from the PVR.

OK, will have a dig around see what I can find ;) She's bound to have done some modelling (all the young female presenters do that here. Its the only reason why I watch 'Learning English' programmes).



Anything spouted from the mouth of Paul Stoddart yet since the end of the GP?? I sure there's been some more handbags at dawn stuff in the press between Todt and him :)
 
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Watched the whole thing live this morning........I'm just up :)

Wasn't the most exciting Grand Prix but it was certainly more entertaining than last year. I was VERY impressed with Red Bull Racing, it would have been great if Coulthard had gootten 3rd. I think everybody was playing it safe though, not knowing how long the tyres would last, the engines would last etc etc, the next Grand Prix will be a good test for the engines. I'm still quite worried about some of the regulations, there seems to be a lot of confusion......
 

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Well it was a quiet race but on that performance the only two teams that are doing well are Ferrari and Renault. Good result for Rubens to get 2nd from such a low qual position. Plus that isnt even the full 2005 car (can see Ferrari dominating a bit more this season). BAR are playing funny with the regulations, doesnt bode to well :(.

Will be interesting at the next race weekend to see how many engines survive (the ones that went the full distance here mind ;) ).

And :rolleyes: to some of the Schuey comments.
 
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Arc said:
And :rolleyes: to some of the Schuey comments.

The accident was his fault. There was no space to move across into - but he did it anyway.

He's always going on about driver should use their mirrors more. Looks like he should as well.

It's not the first time he's done anything like that though. Montoya, Hill, Villeneuve...

As for him being in a danberous position - he wasn't. He was in the gravel - If his nose was still on the track, then yes - that is a dangerous position and he should be able to be pushed free.

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Flibster said:
The accident was his fault. There was no space to move across into - but he did it anyway.

He's always going on about driver should use their mirrors more. Looks like he should as well.

It's not the first time he's done anything like that though. Montoya, Hill, Villeneuve...

As for him being in a danberous position - he wasn't. He was in the gravel - If his nose was still on the track, then yes - that is a dangerous position and he should be able to be pushed free.

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Well said. I agree with all of that.
 
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Arc said:
...on that performance the only two teams that are doing well are Ferrari and Renault.... ...Plus that isnt even the full 2005 car (can see Ferrari dominating a bit more this season).
Did we watch the same race? I thought that was particularly disappointing from a Ferrari point of view - MS fastest lap from 0.5 off the Renaults, last year in Oz they were 2 sec faster! How you can say they will be dominating a bit I don't know!
 
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a sign of things to come this season? I certainly hope not. That was seriously uninspiring, and wont be doing anything for viewing figures. Best bit of action was either schmaker doing his bit for england by wiping out the germans ;) or alonso and villenueve in their corner over taking antics.

Jenson seemed really peeved at his result, judging by how he reacted to louise goodmans comment about his cheeky pit on the last lap.

I found myself watching more of hte blackburn v everton match than the GP. What a disaster.
 
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Flibster said:
The accident was his fault. There was no space to move across into - but he did it anyway.

He's always going on about driver should use their mirrors more. Looks like he should as well.

It's not the first time he's done anything like that though. Montoya, Hill, Villeneuve...

As for him being in a danberous position - he wasn't. He was in the gravel - If his nose was still on the track, then yes - that is a dangerous position and he should be able to be pushed free.

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If his nose was on the track he would be able to drive away without the need for a push. The dangerous position is where someone could collide with him if they couldn't stop (eg the end of a straight)

MS looked in his mirrors didn't see him and moved once to the inside. Heidfield was was not passing him, locked up went onto the grass. Heidfield could/should have taken the racing line and and would have got a run into the next sequence of corners.
 

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Flibster said:
The accident was his fault. There was no space to move across into - but he did it anyway.

He's always going on about driver should use their mirrors more. Looks like he should as well.


It was not :p. Hefield should have been a little more aware (he aint the best F1 driver in the world and it showed). Your allowed to move once to cover and even then you have to look at the position of the cars, Hefield would never have been able to make the pass. Schuey moved and Hefield didnt react correctly. Instead of lifting off and/or braking he simply steered right and went on the grass, lack of experience from a supposedly experienced driver.

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As for him being in a danberous position - he wasn't. He was in the gravel - If his nose was still on the track, then yes - that is a dangerous position and he should be able to be pushed free.

Fibster, you are telling fibs now ;). Do you count the run off area from a very tight slow speed corner from as dangerous, I know I do. Especially as muck and debris is now littering the track due to Hefield going for a little offroad lesson. Its in the rules, if the engine is still running and your in a dangerous position then he is allowed to be pushed out by the martials (he was going to retire anyway so it makes no odds what happens).

With all this talk you'd think there was a consipracy involving Ferrari and the FIA ;).

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Did we watch the same race? I thought that was particularly disappointing from a Ferrari point of view - MS fastest lap from 0.5 off the Renaults, last year in Oz they were 2 sec faster! How you can say they will be dominating a bit I don't know!

Because that wasnt the 2005 Ferrari that raced at Albert Park, just read my post again, especially the bit you quoted where I point that fact out :rolleyes: ;). Not sure where MS would have finished but from Rubens point of view it was a fantastic race, 12th to 2nd. Finishing only 6 seconds or so behind Fisichella who qualified on pole tells you something.
 
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Arc said:

From my memory of the Heidfeld/Schumi clash Heidfeld had nowhere to go, he was already hard on the brakes when schumi moved over, he couldn't ease off more or brake any more, he was simply on the inside of schumi during braking and schumi moved over forcing him onto the grass.

I'd have to see a pic of where schumi was to decide if he should have been pushed but from memory I thought it would have been safer for the marshalls to push schumi to the side. I mean they have to recover Heidfeld's car as well, which is in just as dangerous a place. There would have been yellows waved for both of the cars so other drivers should have been taking it easy.

Schumacher is the only driver I remember in recent years that has ever had a push from the gravel - one time I think could have been in spain where he was quite near the track and far from the barrier and IMO it was better to have him pushed back into action (even though I would have been cursing at the time). Usually (for most drivers) when they beach their car on the gravel their race is over.

The race seemed kind of boring though, I think I actually missed seeing Michael's car up front, and it could have been so good to watch him racing through the pack and finishing in the points like usual.
 
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Click to download larger version ~500KB. I'm not convinced MS was really at fault. There was plenty of tarmac between MS and NH, NH could have stayed on the back stuff... which would have given him the grip needed to brake.

 
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Guess I watched a different race, as I found it nailbiting. But then being a scot and a die hard DC supporter I had someone to root for :) The coverage was awful though, one minute it shows a RB engineer holding a nose cone then 4 laps later somehow DC has lost two places through the pitstops and zero coverage or explanation was offered, also the cameras were always following the abysmal MS who was doing nothing in the rear!!
 
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