2005 European Grand Prix
- Thread starter Flibster
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Current Championship Standings.
2005 Drivers Championship.
2005 Constructors Championship.
2005 Drivers Championship.
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[b]Pos Driver Nationality Team Points[/b]
1 Fernando Alonso Spanish Renault 49
2 Kimi Räikkönen Finnish McLaren-Mercedes 27
3 Jarno Trulli Italian Toyota 26
4 Mark Webber Australian Williams-BMW 18
=6 Ralf Schumacher German Toyota 17
=6 Nick Heidfeld German Williams-BMW 17
=8 Giancarlo Fisichella Italian Renault 14
=8 Juan Pablo Montoya Colombian McLaren-Mercedes 14
9 Michael Schumacher German Ferrari 12
10 David Coulthard British Red Bull Racing 10
11 Rubens Barrichello Brazilian Ferrari 9
12 Alex Wurz Austrian McLaren-Mercedes 6
13 Jacques Villeneuve Canadian Sauber-Petronas 5
14 Pedro De la Rosa Spanish McLaren-Mercedes 4
15 Christian Klien Austrian Red Bull Racing 3
16 Felipe Massa Brazilian Sauber-Petronas 2
17 Vitatonio Liuzzi Italian Red Bull Racing 12005 Constructors Championship.
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[b]Pos Constructor Points[/b]
1 Renault 63
2 McLaren-Mercedes 51
3 Toyota 43
4 Williams-BMW 35
5 Ferrari 21
6 Red Bull Racing 14
7 Sauber-Petronas 7
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Fire 1 said:
I just registered my opinions.
Ladbrokes have Button down as 14/1 to win this weekend, seeing as BAR are seeking a win this year and have had 3/4 weeks to prepare I am thinking that looks like good money.
Although Button is going to have to raise his game if he wants to beat Kimi though.
Soldato
Expecting the red cars near the front this race although as said before kimis gonna be hard to beat if his form stays stationary
Well..Looks like the FIA are stuffing BAR yet again. They're having to use engines that have been sat on a shelf for 5 weeks. 
The other 9 teams agreed to let them use new engines if the FIA allowed it - they haven't.
Not too sure on the reasoning - I think it's to do with the fact that the engines are 3 events old - however they've only been used for 1 event from which they were disqualified.
I loved the bit when Max Mosley was asked he said they're free to change their engines, but they will get a 10 place grid penalty if they do...and then went on to welcome them back to F1 and wish them the best of luck.
So, they're going to be out first in qualifying as they didn't take part in the last GP, with engines in an unknown condition.
Seing as they're probably going to be out of the top 10 of the qualifying positions I'd change the engines anyway and try to do something with the fuel loads to play catchup.
Anyone else expecting 2 smoking Honda's by half way through the race?
Simon/~Flibster
The other 9 teams agreed to let them use new engines if the FIA allowed it - they haven't.
Not too sure on the reasoning - I think it's to do with the fact that the engines are 3 events old - however they've only been used for 1 event from which they were disqualified.
I loved the bit when Max Mosley was asked he said they're free to change their engines, but they will get a 10 place grid penalty if they do...and then went on to welcome them back to F1 and wish them the best of luck.
So, they're going to be out first in qualifying as they didn't take part in the last GP, with engines in an unknown condition.
Seing as they're probably going to be out of the top 10 of the qualifying positions I'd change the engines anyway and try to do something with the fuel loads to play catchup.
Anyone else expecting 2 smoking Honda's by half way through the race?
Simon/~Flibster
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****, wish I'd heard that before I tipped Jenson to come 3rd in the race. Never mind eh?
Don
Flibster said:Well..Looks like the FIA are stuffing BAR yet again. They're having to use engines that have been sat on a shelf for 5 weeks.
The other 9 teams agreed to let them use new engines if the FIA allowed it - they haven't.
Not too sure on the reasoning - I think it's to do with the fact that the engines are 3 events old - however they've only been used for 1 event from which they were disqualified.
I loved the bit when Max Mosley was asked he said they're free to change their engines, but they will get a 10 place grid penalty if they do...and then went on to welcome them back to F1 and wish them the best of luck.
So, they're going to be out first in qualifying as they didn't take part in the last GP, with engines in an unknown condition.
Seing as they're probably going to be out of the top 10 of the qualifying positions I'd change the engines anyway and try to do something with the fuel loads to play catchup.
Anyone else expecting 2 smoking Honda's by half way through the race?
Simon/~Flibster
Im assuming they know how to look after an engine for a few weeks!! They will have a good idea as to the condition of the whole lot from the data at the end of the last race. Its far from ideal, but then its not exactly going totally ruin the race for them is it?
Soldato
Unfortunately Honda arnt the making the best engines this year, let's hope they will be ok.
Soldato
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Soldato
I am not a F1 nut but this season have been taking much more interest. Is a "European" grand prix the norm? Can't recall one before. Also, I always thought that nurburgring was longer than 3 miles? Do they have a different route for F1?
Soldato
Tesla said:
Yes it's normal. They can't call it the german GP because then they'd have tow what with Hockenheim on the calendar.
Man of Honour
Malt_Vinegar said:
The problem they have is the engine has been sealed in storage for 5 weeks, the longest they would expect to have to deal with is 2, maybe 3 tops. The BAR tech guy was interviewed the other day and he was saying they just have no idea what state the seals etc will be in after that length of time. Corrosion is apparantly a big worry - this is not like a road car engine that can sit for that length of time and happily fire up first time, the materials and tolerances are more watch like than engine like. They can do limited internal inspections but there are parts that you just cannot get an endoscope into.
What bugs me is that they weren't classified in Imola hence under the regulations they're entitled to a new engine yet, despite all the other teams agreeing to it, the FIA have decided to force them to use a pair of engines which have been subjected to conditions outwith those that they were designed for.
I think we will all agree that F1 is struggling to maintain its fan base but it's times like this that make you think that the FIA don't have a clue when it comes to running the sport.
Soldato
Ahh i see. How much of the course do they use then? Always thought it was a good 9-10 mins in a pretty good road car with a pretty damn good driver? That's not 3miles worth.pinkaardvark said:
Soldato
Tesla said:
3.199 miles of it as it says above in diagram.
Old course is significantly longer.
Associate
clv101 said:
Wasn't it at Donington once, back in the dark ages?
Alan Woodford