2006 Bahrain Grand Prix - Race 1/18

[SDK^]

Yeah, 7 World Championships to, aint in the same league........

With the extra races Schumachers been in (Senna 162 vs Schu 232), works out about 4 extra years , then he should have won more

Senna would have clearly won in 1994, bearing in mind Damon was only 1 point away from winning it

 

[Stormrider]

Quite an extensive post-qualy show - -wonder how long this will go on for.

 

[Flibster]

Yeah, 7 World Championships to, aint in the same league........

Killed in his prime - only 11 seasons...
Schumacher still alive - and also now in his 17th season..

Raced with the best drivers - Prost, Mansell, Piquet, Patrese, Berger...
Raced with - Hakkinen, Hill, Villeneuve

Often had his biggest rival as his teammate in identicle cars.
No competition from teammates.

Although the both pale when compared to the absolute master...Juan Manuel Fangio

 

[Arc]

lol, I aint getting into this debate again, had enough of this last season . Schuey did race against Berger/Mansel to.

Schumacher is a great driver, Senna was a great driver, Fangio was a great driver.

 

[SDK^]

lol, I aint getting into this debate again, had enough of this last season . Schuey did race against Berger/Mansel to.

Senna is a great driver, Fangio was a great driver and Schuy is ok as well

Schumacher raced against Mansell for a few races in 1991 in the Jordan and a full season in 1992 in the Beneton, Mansell was just finishing and Schu was just starting out.
As far as I can remember Berger never won a championship so he doesn't even feature

Quote updated

 

[Balb0wa]

i wish the 3rd session was low fuel as well, then it would mean something.

Were still saying who was heavy who was light, appart from that it was ok, when it got going.

 

[fuz]

Jim Clark will always be the master to me.

After last season I was left wondering if Schumi could beat Senna's record, now that the Ferrari seems to have genuine pace, there is no doubt he'll do it this year... All I can say is well done on yet another record.

I still quite like the guessing game on fuel loads, does add another element to the race, although I would like to see refuelling banned altogether and make cars overtake on the track again.

 

[JRS]

plus he's a git!.... not a patch on Senna

Uh huh. Met the guy have you?

Ah well, I'm happy with the quali result. Ferraris are locking up the front row, Button is well placed and the only black cloud is that Mclaren have yet again pitched up with cars that appear to be far from fully reliable.

 

[Flibster]

Uh huh. Met the guy have you?

Ah well, I'm happy with the quali result. Ferraris are locking up the front row, Button is well placed and the only black cloud is that Mclaren have yet again pitched up with cars that appear to be far from fully reliable.

Yes thanks...

I requested to be moved to his team-mate or another team we were supplying at the time. Which was good - ended up working with McLaren and Arrows.

Simon/~Flibster

 

[Flibster]

Growing frustration at Toro Rosso legality

It is clear that there is growing frustration in the pitlane regarding the 'legality' of the Toro Rossos.

The Italian-based outfit is the only team using V10 engines this season, the result of a deal done when the (now) Austrian owned team was Minardi, owned by Australian Paul Stoddart.

With a limited budget which meant Stoddart was unable to purchase V8s for his team, the other teams agreed that special dispensation should be given to the Faenza outfit allowing it to use V10 powerplants, though these would be 'restricted' in terms of power in order that there was no advantage.

Then, Stoddart sold out to the wealthy Red Bull company, which, though it could have afforded V8s, opted to stick with the previously agreed (restricted) V10.

For some time there has been concern along the pitlane that the Toro Rosso would enjoy an advantage over its rivals, with various teams hinting at possible protests.

Speaking yesterday, McLaren boss, Ron Dennis, made it quite clear that he was unhappy. "All teams who had committed to running V8s very much appreciated that there was going to be an advantage from running V10s and going down an equivalency route," said the Englishman. "We undertook with each other, signed a document that undertook to each other that we would run V8s, in other words, permitting, in writing, to run V8s.

"The team that was given the concession to run V10s was Minardi, and it was given the concession for financial reasons, not for performance reasons, and there are several parameters of the engine that must be addressed when achieving an equivalency. Horsepower is one, and it is something that absolutely you can achieve, but a V10 engine will always give more torque and you cannot tweak the engine due to all the air restrictors and that sort of thing. It might or it might not form an equivalency, but it's important to remember that the reason for the engine issue in the first place was for cost reasons, not a formula by which people had a choice.

"That formula has been contracted out deliberately by people who wanted V8 engines," he added. "That is a clean, clear, analytical statement of fact."

Ferrari's Jean Todt was in agreement: "When it was decided to allow some private teams to have access to V10 with a restrictor we informed the FIA that we could object depending on the outcome of the championship with the car, so I am confident it is going to happen," said the Frenchman. "Of course we cannot avoid having agreements like this one, but I am confident that the FIA can do the right thing."

However, Gerhard Berger, who has recently taken a 50 percent stake in Toro Rosso, stuck to his guns: "I have to say, we took over a team from Minardi. We had a contract with the team and with the engine. Should we be penalised for using the engine or should the FIA try to put it into a fair position."

Meanwhile there is mounting concern over the legality of the Toro Rosso chassis, the STR1, which to all intents and purposes in the 2005 Red Bull chassis, itself based on the 2004 Jaguar, with a few bits added on.

Should the Toro Rossos qualify or finish higher than many deem realistic, expect the protests to begin, with Midland most likely to raise the legality of the chassis.

 

[Flibster]

2006 Bahrain Grand Prix Qualifying.

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Team			Time[/b]
1	5	Michael Schumacher	Ferrari			1:33.310
2	6	Felipe Massa		Ferrari			1:33.579
3	12	Jenson Button		Honda			1:32.603
4	1	Fernando Alonso		Renault			1:32.433
5	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	McLaren-Mercedes	1:33.233
6	11	Rubens Barrichello	Honda			1:33.922
7	9	Mark Webber		Williams-Cosworth	1:33.454
8	15	Christian Klien		RBR-Ferrari		1:34.308
9	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	Renault			1:32.934
10	16	Nick Heidfeld		Sauber-BMW		1:33.374
11	17	Jacques Villeneuve	Sauber-BMW		1:33.882
12	10	Nico Rosberg		Williams-Cosworth	1:32.945
13	14	David Coulthard		RBR-Ferrari		1:33.678
14	8	Jarno Trulli		Toyota			1:33.987
15	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	STR-Cosworth		1:34.439
16	21	Scott Speed		STR-Cosworth		1:33.995
17	7	Ralf Schumacher		Toyota			1:34.702
18	19	Christijan Albers	MF1-Toyota		1:35.724
19	18	Tiago Monteiro		MF1-Toyota		1:35.900
20	22	Takuma Sato		Super Aguri-Honda	1:37.411
21	23	Yuji Ide		Super Aguri-Honda	1:40.270
22	3	Kimi Räikkönen		McLaren-Mercedes	No Time

Sector Times

[b]Sector 1[/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	5	Michael Schumacher	29.517	
2	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	29.564	
3	6	Felipe Massa		29.603	
4	16	Nick Heidfeld		29.745	
5	12	Jenson Button		29.791	
6	1	Fernando Alonso		29.804	
7	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	29.807	
8	3	Kimi Räikkönen		29.843	
9	15	Christian Klien		29.878	
10	17	Jacques Villeneuve	29.934	
11	10	Nico Rosberg		29.945	
12	11	Rubens Barrichello	30.025	
13	14	David Coulthard		30.054	
14	9	Mark Webber		30.063	
15	8	Jarno Trulli		30.149	
16	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	30.185	
17	21	Scott Speed		30.307	
18	7	Ralf Schumacher		30.506	
19	19	Christijan Albers	30.517	
20	18	Tiago Monteiro		31.027	
21	22	Takuma Sato		31.845	
22	23	Yuji Ide		32.383

[b]Sector 2 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	1	Fernando Alonso		38.777	
2	6	Felipe Massa		38.962	
3	5	Michael Schumacher	39.001	
4	12	Jenson Button		39.053	
5	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	39.241	
6	11	Rubens Barrichello	39.250	
7	16	Nick Heidfeld		39.281	
8	15	Christian Klien		39.329	
9	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	39.375	
10	9	Mark Webber		39.387	
11	17	Jacques Villeneuve	39.446	
12	10	Nico Rosberg		39.566	
13	14	David Coulthard		39.579	
14	8	Jarno Trulli		39.589	
15	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	39.987	
16	21	Scott Speed		40.090	
17	7	Ralf Schumacher		40.194	
18	18	Tiago Monteiro		40.893	
19	19	Christijan Albers	41.059	
20	22	Takuma Sato		42.542	
21	23	Yuji Ide		43.065	
22	3	Kimi Räikkönen		44.145

[b]Sector 3 [/b]
[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time[/b]
1	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	22.548	
2	12	Jenson Button		22.578	
3	1	Fernando Alonso		22.595	
4	16	Nick Heidfeld		22.638	
5	11	Rubens Barrichello	22.763	
6	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	22.783	
7	5	Michael Schumacher	22.844	
8	9	Mark Webber		22.859	
9	6	Felipe Massa		22.862	
10	15	Christian Klien		22.899	
11	10	Nico Rosberg		22.925	
12	17	Jacques Villeneuve	22.983	
13	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	23.050	
14	14	David Coulthard		23.107	
15	8	Jarno Trulli		23.230	
16	21	Scott Speed		23.584	
17	18	Tiago Monteiro		23.643	
18	7	Ralf Schumacher		23.659	
19	19	Christijan Albers	23.786	
20	3	Kimi Räikkönen		24.072	
21	22	Takuma Sato		24.481	
22	23	Yuji Ide		24.822

Speed Trap

[b]Pos	No	Driver			Time		Speed[/b]
1	1	Fernando Alonso		14:21:03	305.0	
2	5	Michael Schumacher	15:00:56	304.8	
3	17	Jacques Villeneuve	14:21:03	303.7	
4	4	Juan Pablo Montoya	14:20:57	303.4	
5	2	Giancarlo Fisichella	14:21:01	302.9	
6	20	Vitantonio Liuzzi	14:22:45	300.3	
7	12	Jenson Button		14:41:36	300.1	
8	6	Felipe Massa		15:07:06	299.5	
9	16	Nick Heidfeld		14:21:34	299.5	
10	9	Mark Webber		14:21:21	298.9	
11	3	Kimi Räikkönen		14:09:25	298.4	
12	10	Nico Rosberg		14:21:12	298.4	
13	21	Scott Speed		14:21:04	298.0	
14	7	Ralf Schumacher		14:21:13	297.9	
15	11	Rubens Barrichello	14:21:11	297.8	
16	15	Christian Klien		15:02:33	297.0	
17	14	David Coulthard		14:21:08	295.4	
18	19	Christijan Albers	14:21:18	294.8	
19	18	Tiago Monteiro		14:03:20	293.8	
20	8	Jarno Trulli		14:20:57	293.0	
21	23	Yuji Ide		14:02:02	284.2	
22	22	Takuma Sato		14:03:13	283.5

 

[Creature]

Schumacher and Massa were 1:31's, not 1:33's

 

[JRS]

Yes thanks...

I know you have Was wondering if Richard T had.

The V10 situation is a worry, as I can see the FIA making changes too late. They should never have gone down the route of allowing them, if you're going to change the engine regs then actually change them. And if that meant an F1 team left the grid - so what? F1 owes nobody a living.

 

[Flibster]

Schumacher and Massa were 1:31's, not 1:33's

They're the official times that were emailed to me....

Until they change them - that what they're staying as.

Check them out for yourself.
http://www.formula1.com/race/result/751/24.html

Simon/~Flibster

 

[Creature]

Ok, now I really am ******* confused

 

[rpstewart]

Ecclestone interested in Ferrari stake
Formula One supremo Bernie Ecclestone has said he would be interested in becoming a shareholder in Ferrari, after Mediobanca said this week that it planned to sell its stake in the team.

The Italian bank has confirmed that it is looking to sell their 15 percent stake in Ferrari this season, to free up capital for the company.

The bank is in talks with Ferrari's parent company Fiat about a deal, although Mediobanca has admitted that private investors were also being considered.

One Mediobanca official was quoted as saying this week: "We are talking to Fiat about a progressive divestment of our stake. We are confident of having a solution in the next month, or month and a half."

The talk of a sale has prompted renewed speculation that Ecclestone may get involved, with the sport's commercial boss linked with a possible buy-in last year.

Ecclestone told Gazzetta dello Sport today that he would definitely consider buying into Ferrari - but made it clear that the price had to be right.

"Yes, the thing interests me," he said. "I have always loved Ferrari, its history and Enzo Ferrari.

"Today it is a great industry and it would appeal to me to own a piece of it. So I am interested but it depends, as always, on how much they want."

Errmm, can anyone say "Conflict of Interest"??????

 

[Flibster]

Looking at it - they're just session 1 times - not the final resultant times from session 1, 2 and 3...

Looks like the FOA need to work on it a bit...

 

[Bennah]

Wacthed qualifying... Session 2 and 3 anyways.

Didnt see what happened to Kimi though What a start to the season. Renault seemed to be brave in session 2. They performed good. It was good to see the Ferrari's having a little battle with each other in the final session. I had a feeling that Schumacher would come out better of the two but didnt expect to be that close. Massa did a great job in my view. Hes going to perform this season. Glad hes in a decent car.

What happened to Montoya in the final session. Very quiet. Didnt really do anything. Most probably down to the race fuel. I hope he has a good race tomorrow.

Does Kimi, start at the back of the grid or in the pits? Pits just for engine changes etc or aswell for no time results in qualifying?

I wonder if Kimi is going to be fueled long to the first stop or short to try and get to the front. I hope he has a good race too anyways.

 

[SaBBz]

That qualification session was certainly better than last year's format Can't wait for the race now. Just hope Massa doesn't slow everyone else down and lets Schumacher get away!

 

[Type_R]

We are back! Back in business!

Superb qualifying...should be a great race...can't wait.