2006 San Marino Grand Prix - Race 4/18
- Thread starter Flibster
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Soldato
gord said:
What died on his chin
Associate
Its a great circuit to go to but. Had a great time last year.
yawn
Flibster said:
Its easy to lead when you a faster car. Schuey's car was all over the gaff in this instance, Alonso was all over the back of him, in the end it was his own error that took him off, and he wasn't even trying hard. For all of his talk about wanting to beat Schuey, he had his chance to try today.
Associate
Doesnt A1 start in Zandvoort this coming season.
Associate
I would still have taken the points- was daft not to TBH. Button is living in fairy land if he things he would have finished on the podium.
Soldato
Was having a conversation with someone earlier re: Alonso vs Schumacher today. Last year this person blasted Schumacher for sitting behind Alonso - want to guess what he said this year?
"Well, you can't overtake round Imola."
Must....control....fist....of....death
*Sigh*
"Well, you can't overtake round Imola."
Must....control....fist....of....death
*Sigh*
I think its different if you are fighting for every point, which Alonso isn't, and also he's said its M.Sch he wants to beat, hes his motivation for racing etc. I think if it was another driver with their arch rival in front they'd have risked a more aggressive move.
Is anyone else getting very tired of Button and his endless excuses? Not content with blaming every failure on the car or the team or the tyres or anyone but himself, his behaviour today took the biscuit.
Yes the lollipop man lifted too soon but when he slammed it back down Button simply failed to stop which is utterly unacceptable. My initial thought when seeing it for the first time from the in-car camera was that the lollipop man had seen someone coming up the pit lane at the last second and I was bracing myself for a huge crash as Button pulled right out into the pit lane anyway.
I'm simply staggered at what he did. When the lollipop comes back down you hit the brakes, immediately. He deliberately ignored it, even when he was being bashed over the head with it, and drove out into the pit lane!
He then couldn't even bring himself to apologise or even make any reference whatsoever to this when he was being interviewed later. Pathetic.
IMO, the lollipop man's mistake was far more understandable and excusable. You're so on edge in that job, trying to get the lollipop up at the first possible moment, that now and then you'll flinch and lift it early. Button's failure to stop when it came back down was yet another example of his unprofessionalism as the red mist obviously came down and he literally drove through the lollipop before finally coming to his senses and stopping.
I'm now so fed up with Button that I'm actively cheering on Barrichello and praying he get's Honda's first win, as that will be simply priceless. Call me evil and vindictive if you like, I don't care
Yes the lollipop man lifted too soon but when he slammed it back down Button simply failed to stop which is utterly unacceptable. My initial thought when seeing it for the first time from the in-car camera was that the lollipop man had seen someone coming up the pit lane at the last second and I was bracing myself for a huge crash as Button pulled right out into the pit lane anyway.
I'm simply staggered at what he did. When the lollipop comes back down you hit the brakes, immediately. He deliberately ignored it, even when he was being bashed over the head with it, and drove out into the pit lane!
He then couldn't even bring himself to apologise or even make any reference whatsoever to this when he was being interviewed later. Pathetic.
IMO, the lollipop man's mistake was far more understandable and excusable. You're so on edge in that job, trying to get the lollipop up at the first possible moment, that now and then you'll flinch and lift it early. Button's failure to stop when it came back down was yet another example of his unprofessionalism as the red mist obviously came down and he literally drove through the lollipop before finally coming to his senses and stopping.
I'm now so fed up with Button that I'm actively cheering on Barrichello and praying he get's Honda's first win, as that will be simply priceless. Call me evil and vindictive if you like, I don't care
Soldato
Only a few people not sharing Martin Brundle's opinion then 
To be honest, out of those guys the ITV poll listed:
Schumacher did all the work on Saturday, and just had to keep his car on the island today.
Alonso didn't want to risk throwing 8 points away for the sake of an extra 2 (I'm going to come back to that point).
Montoya had a solid race, no better than he should have had with that car though.
Button and his team managed to **** things up good and proper.
Fisichella was hamstrung by his qualifying position, and didn't really make the most of what he did have to work with.
My opinion only, of course. Now, back to the points issue - is it just me, or does the win not carry enough of a reward over second place since they went to 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1? It seems to me that in situations like the lead Alonso has in the championship, he'd opt not to risk overtaking just to get 2 extra points.
To be honest, out of those guys the ITV poll listed:Schumacher did all the work on Saturday, and just had to keep his car on the island today.
Alonso didn't want to risk throwing 8 points away for the sake of an extra 2 (I'm going to come back to that point).
Montoya had a solid race, no better than he should have had with that car though.
Button and his team managed to **** things up good and proper.
Fisichella was hamstrung by his qualifying position, and didn't really make the most of what he did have to work with.
My opinion only, of course. Now, back to the points issue - is it just me, or does the win not carry enough of a reward over second place since they went to 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1? It seems to me that in situations like the lead Alonso has in the championship, he'd opt not to risk overtaking just to get 2 extra points.
Flibster said:
Yeah, get real
.If overtaking were possible then Alonso would have probably gotten by MS but no one else was anywhere close to those two so he would have finished 2nd. The times that those two put in at the start of the race gave them a big enough advantage over everyone else.
The 2nd stint didnt work well for the Ferraris but in the last stint everyone was doing similar times (not really any advantage).
Absolutely hopeless excuse of a race - I blame the track entirely, Imola isn't suitable for modern grand prix racing. The fact that MS could win that race with a broken car only doing 1:27 and 1:28 laps with Alonso on his gear box able to do 1:25 means it's not a fit track to race on.
JRS said:
The new points came in to stop Schumacher dominating I think. They need to re-do to points scheme IMO, it may have been fine for the last few years but not anymore... they also can't go back to the old points system either. Personally I think the points should be this: 14-10-8-7-6-5-4-3-2-1 but with the reliablity of late I'm not so sure... The reason for my idea is that there is 6 massive manufacturer teams at the moment, these teams can't all be winning all the time, yet they can't be seen to repeatedly not get any results, with points available for the top ten they can use this to promote themselves. Then, with the extra 4 for victory or 2 for 2nd then you have a situation as with the previous points scheme where there is an obvious benefit for going for 1st.
With the rules as they are there was no need for Alonso to even try overtaking Schumacher.
Driver of the day for me was Schumacher, he was being tactical master IMO, being mega defensive, driving well within the limits and keeping Alonso behind, Pat Symonds probably thought that bringing Alonso in early would be a benefit, Schumi obviously had more pace when he emerged from the pits a lap later in the lead. If renault didn't pit Alonso they could have won, but who knows whether he had enough fuel to continue. With the pace of Alonso, I don't think Michael could have won any other way then how he did.
Soldato
Before I read back on the previous replies as I've only just watched the race. Thought Jenson was unlucky with his lolly-pop man messing up so badly. Lack of excitement from Alonso vs Schumacher. Alonso was clearly > 1sec per lap faster but wasn't willing/able to get past.
Soldato
I totally agree. When I first saw the incident on ITV1 it looked like the lollipop's man mistake yet when we saw the replay from onboard Button's car it was obvious that Button could have stopped.Vertigo1 said:Is anyone else getting very tired of Button and his endless excuses? Not content with blaming every failure on the car or the team or the tyres or anyone but himself, his behaviour today took the biscuit.
Yes the lollipop man lifted too soon but when he slammed it back down Button simply failed to stop which is utterly unacceptable. My initial thought when seeing it for the first time from the in-car camera was that the lollipop man had seen someone coming up the pit lane at the last second and I was bracing myself for a huge crash as Button pulled right out into the pit lane anyway.
I'm simply staggered at what he did. When the lollipop comes back down you hit the brakes, immediately. He deliberately ignored it, even when he was being bashed over the head with it, and drove out into the pit lane!
He then couldn't even bring himself to apologise or even make any reference whatsoever to this when he was being interviewed later. Pathetic.
IMO, the lollipop man's mistake was far more understandable and excusable. You're so on edge in that job, trying to get the lollipop up at the first possible moment, that now and then you'll flinch and lift it early. Button's failure to stop when it came back down was yet another example of his unprofessionalism as the red mist obviously came down and he literally drove through the lollipop before finally coming to his senses and stopping.
I'm now so fed up with Button that I'm actively cheering on Barrichello and praying he get's Honda's first win, as that will be simply priceless. Call me evil and vindictive if you like, I don't care
Good F1 drivers need excellent reaction times and he definitely could have stopped and perhaps not pulled as many mechanics as he did. I'm not a Michael Schumacher fan but I reckon he would have apologised to the mechanics after the race and blamed himself or at least shouldered some of the blame. Considering that mechanics get paid to stand in the way of an oncoming F1 car I'd be really apologetic to my mechanics if I knocked them over or hurt them in some way.
For Button to demand showdown talks at Brackley tomorrow just makes Button look like a petulant overpaid idiot. He hasn't achieved that much in his career, yet is constantly feted by the British motorsport press and some of the ITV F1 crew as the best driver in F1 after Alonso, Raikonnen and Schumacher M.
I don't get it, I would rate Rosberg or Montoya as better than Button, but that is just my opinion.
Btw greetings to all, this is my first post in the F1 thread.