2008 Belgian GP - Race 13/18

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JRS said:
But modern F1 isn't interesting....:)


1) Italy. Ferrari home territory.
2) Singapore. Brand new track, could be a lottery but Ferrari have won at the other new track this year.
3) Japan. Lewis won this one last year, so ought to do well this year.
4) China. Four races held here, three won by Ferrari.
5) Brazil. Won by Ferrari on the last two occasions.
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I disagree with two of your predictions JRS :)

Italy - pure grunt. Mclaren engine has much grunt on any other engine in the field, including the Ferrari. Very little downforce required. (Not to mention the engine troubles Ferrari have had - yes ok they say they sorted it out but how can we be sure ;))

Japan - It peed it down during the race so I would say that we still havent seen the true potential of the cars on this track.

Also dont forget, Hungary over the last few years, Massa never faired well there, but he was on course to win it this year. Never know what could happen in Spa ;)
 
Cavallino said:
I disagree with two of your predictions JRS :)

Italy - pure grunt. Mclaren engine has much grunt on any other engine in the field, including the Ferrari. Very little downforce required. (Not to mention the engine troubles Ferrari have had - yes ok they say they sorted it out but how can we be sure ;))
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We-e-ell, given how fast Ferrari powered cars have been in the speedtraps all year....and given how much faster the car was than the McLaren last time out....and given the small matter of Ferrari winning 7 of the last 12 Italian GPs....and given that it was Alonso who won last year not Hamilton (his last win to date, in fact)....I'm still going to stick with my original thought.

Cavallino said:
Japan - It peed it down during the race so I would say that we still havent seen the true potential of the cars on this track.
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I'll grant you that one. But think on - it's Fuji, it stands every chance of being wet again this year. There have been three championship GPs held at the place - '76, '77 and last year. On two of those occasions, it was decidedly wet. And Hamilton isn't what you'd call poor in the wet....

My overall point stands. Hamilton can't just go into points-collection mode, the title race is too tight for that. That little gap back to Massa can evaporate in a short space of time, and with six races left the championship can easily be lost by Hamilton.
 
JRS said:
We-e-ell, given how fast Ferrari powered cars have been in the speedtraps all year....and given how much faster the car was than the McLaren last time out....and given the small matter of Ferrari winning 7 of the last 12 Italian GPs....and given that it was Alonso who won last year not Hamilton (his last win to date, in fact)....I'm still going to stick with my original thought.



I'll grant you that one. But think on - it's Fuji, it stands every chance of being wet again this year. There have been three championship GPs held at the place - '76, '77 and last year. On two of those occasions, it was decidedly wet. And Hamilton isn't what you'd call poor in the wet....

My overall point stands. Hamilton can't just go into points-collection mode, the title race is too tight for that. That little gap back to Massa can evaporate in a short space of time, and with six races left the championship can easily be lost by Hamilton.
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I knew you were going to say that :D
The Ferrari was quicker through speed traps because it is aerodynamically more efficient than the Mclaren.

But in Monza, aerodynamics are going to play very little part. The cars will have very little downforce so the Mclaren Engine will not be restricted to the cars inherent drag compared to other races.

And Fuji, oh your right if it rains then yes Hamilton could well clinch it. Then again perhaps we could see the tables turning round in wet races? But the smart money would be on Hamilton winning a wet Fuji race.

Dammit cant wait :D
 
I'm rather excited, as I'm going the grand prix this weekend too :)

Only booked tickets for general admission, but for some reason when I got my tickets, I received both the weekend general admission tickets, PLUS, two GOLD Eau Rouge tickets that appear to be front row grandstand, worth nearly three times what I paid. So, I'm going to be a happy boy for my Birthday weekend I think! :D
 
Cavallino said:
I knew you were going to say that :D
The Ferrari was quicker through speed traps because it is aerodynamically more efficient than the Mclaren.

But in Monza, aerodynamics are going to play very little part. The cars will have very little downforce so the Mclaren Engine will not be restricted to the cars inherent drag compared to other races.

And Fuji, oh your right if it rains then yes Hamilton could well clinch it. Then again perhaps we could see the tables turning round in wet races? But the smart money would be on Hamilton winning a wet Fuji race.

Dammit cant wait :D
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Tables turning around in wet races? In whose favour?
 
CS||nuTs said:
Well after watching Massa at Silverstone, rain would be the last thing Ferrari would want to see.
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True, but then the Ferrari was no better in Germany either, it could purely be a lul in performance which was further amplified by the wet weather, dont forget Kimi had a few offs too during that race.
 
frakker said:
Still amazing to watch. TV coverage doesn't convey how steep the thing is!

In other news: Gone Fishing at McLaren. Uncle Ron is sponsoring a kid £50 per fish that he manages to catch from their lake. What's the betting he's employed scuba divers to ensure he doesn't have to pay out, the cheating... (just joking! :D)
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The young lad did pretty well by all accounts, 25 fish in an hour isn't to be sniffed at.
 
Quite cool how DC and I came to the same conclusion about the Massa pit incident at the last race, however blind some people insist on being around here
 
Cavallino said:
2 questions:

1. What was your conclusion again? :P
2. David Coulthard?
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That if GP2 racers got penalised why didnt Massa (they should be following the same rules)

He mentioned the Alonso incident about going over a white line, which while in the rules shouldnt be done isnt intrinsicly dangerous, where as racing within a foot or so of a cameraman could have incredibly serious repercussions

Something should be done before a serious accident occurs

He should know after being in the sport for 14 years (and longer if you include his testing duties)
 
Why is this such an issue still?

Something should be done before a serious accident occurs
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Meh, whilst serious accidents are not a good thing, it's second guessing "bad things that could happen" that causes this sport to be a watered down joke, it's a dangerous sport...
Would a drive through and handing the victory to Hamilton have made the incident any safer?
 
FrankJH said:
Quite cool how DC and I came to the same conclusion about the Massa pit incident at the last race, however blind some people insist on being around here
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People like you make me laugh :)

I don't understand why you insist on banging on about one incident, like it's a serious violation of some sort.
There's been several occasions like Massa's stop this year, but not a word was uttered then, so why now?
 
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Spunkey said:
No, but it would have set a precedent to prevent it happening again in the future.
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In which case the precedent should've been set a few races before valencia when similar incidents have taken place and gone unpunished.

If you "truly" feel that this incident is SO dangerous, then why dont you refer to the more earlier occassions when they took place in this season?

How many times do we have to go over this?
 
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