2070S to ??

[Kenjiin]

Another generic 'which is best bang for buck gpu upgrade' thread. Apologies in advance!

My 2070 Super started screaming at me a few years ago. Been changing the thermal paste on it until it gave up the ghost and here we are. I don't really have a budget, and will go up to a 4080S. I'm looking for a decent long term investment, Ideally around 5 years that's a good bang for the buck. I won't really want to upgrade again until the next gen of consoles are released. I'm not one for upgrading regularly. The 2070S served me well from 2020 to now. So whilst i'd go 4080S if it just made the most sense for what I'm looking for in the price/performance/future proofing department, if there's something cheaper that works, I'm interested.

I game at 1400p Ultrawide (Alienware AW3423DWF) - The 2070S was holding up well here in a lot of titles suprisingly.
5800X3D - Maybe this was doing a lot of the leg work.
650W PSU.

Would a 4080S require a new PSU (750/850w?) and is it worth the 1k over say a 4070S, in terms of somewhat future proofing?
Titles I'd be looking at are mainly things like Diablo 4/PoE 2 at high framerates. Monster Hunter: Wilds, though I know it's recommened specs are a bit out there, that an important release for me. I've been holding out on playing Cyberpunk for the longest time due to wanting to run it at a nice steady 70fps+ on ultrawide for a while. Not overly concerned about raytracing, great if the game can handle it and maintain frames, but fps and high graphics is most important for me.

Hope that's enough info! Thanks for any advice

 

[Gray2233]

You can get a 7900XT at the moment for a little over £600, and it comes with two games (including Space Marine 2).

Should work fine on a good quality 650W and pair well with the rest of your system, it's pretty hard to beat at that price point, especially if you're not bothered about RT. It also has a good amount of VRAM, which is worth factoring in if you rarely upgrade, although I will say that tech such as FSR is way behind DLSS if you intend to use upscalers for anything.

I'd recommend looking at some reviews and having a think about it.

My basket at OcUK:

• 1 x Powercolor Radeon RX 7900 XT HellHound 20GB GDDR6 PCI-Express Graphics Card (SKU: GX-1AR-PC) = £629.99

Total: £629.99 (includes delivery: £0.00)​

 

[AMDPower]

Another generic 'which is best bang for buck gpu upgrade' thread. Apologies in advance!

My 2070 Super started screaming at me a few years ago. Been changing the thermal paste on it until it gave up the ghost and here we are. I don't really have a budget, and will go up to a 4080S. I'm looking for a decent long term investment, Ideally around 5 years that's a good bang for the buck. I won't really want to upgrade again until the next gen of consoles are released. I'm not one for upgrading regularly. The 2070S served me well from 2020 to now. So whilst i'd go 4080S if it just made the most sense for what I'm looking for in the price/performance/future proofing department, if there's something cheaper that works, I'm interested.

I game at 1400p Ultrawide (Alienware AW3423DWF) - The 2070S was holding up well here in a lot of titles suprisingly.
5800X3D - Maybe this was doing a lot of the leg work.
650W PSU.

Would a 4080S require a new PSU (750/850w?) and is it worth the 1k over say a 4070S, in terms of somewhat future proofing?
Titles I'd be looking at are mainly things like Diablo 4/PoE 2 at high framerates. Monster Hunter: Wilds, though I know it's recommened specs are a bit out there, that an important release for me. I've been holding out on playing Cyberpunk for the longest time due to wanting to run it at a nice steady 70fps+ on ultrawide for a while. Not overly concerned about raytracing, great if the game can handle it and maintain frames, but fps and high graphics is most important for me.

Hope that's enough info! Thanks for any advice

if you are going to be dropping £1000 and looking for future proofing then wait for new graphic cards in January. £1000 will buy your a 5080 which will be much better than a 4080. If you cant wait then as suggested a 7900XT or 7900XTX or 4080 super take your pick really. If you need ray tracing then 4080 if not then AMD cards are better buy.

 

[Tetras]

Would a 4080S require a new PSU (750/850w?)

It is hard to say about the PSU because while in theory a 650 watt PSU can handle pretty much anything, in reality how it handles the power spikes defines everything. You can undervolt and power limit to get the power down if you are tripping, but that's obviously not an ideal solution.

and is it worth the 1k over say a 4070S, in terms of somewhat future proofing?

TPU's GPU database says that:
4070 is 65% faster
7800 XT is 78% faster
4070 Super is 92% faster
4070 Ti Super is 125% faster
7900 XT is 131% faster
4080 Super is 165% faster

These numbers are with no upscaling or ray tracing.

If we take relative to the 4070 Super then:
4080 Super is 38% faster and costs around 70% more (..depends on the model)

Personally, I'd agree with Gray2233 that the 7900 XT is the optimal card for price/perf if you need a decently powerful card for 1440p ultrawide, but want to avoid nearly £1K.

OCUK have a 7900 XTX (ASRock) which is £750, don't know much about that particular model, but it competes with the 4080 Super in raster.

If I had to buy now (waiting is better, because we're rumoured to be close to release to new cards for AMD and nvidia), I'd get the 4070 Super (as close to £500 as possible) or a 7900 XT (as close to £600 as possible) and accept that it may not last as long as you'd like.

 

[Gray2233]

if you are going to be dropping £1000 and looking for future proofing then wait for new graphic cards in January. £1000 will buy your a 5080 which will be much better than a 4080. If you cant wait then as suggested a 7900XT or 7900XTX or 4080 super take your pick really. If you need ray tracing then 4080 if not then AMD cards are better buy.

I think expecting the 5080 at £1000 is a tad optimistic tbh mate, the 4080 launched at around £1100 MSRP and often went for over £1400, I fully expect the 5080 to cost more.

An unfortunate rule of thumb with tech, always expect the manufacturers suggested price to be a good chunk below what the product actually ends up costing the consumer at launch.

 

[Kenjiin]

Thanks for your suggestions guys, been super useful so far.

With regards to DLSS, I've tried my best to get on with it in games and I just can't see past the slight blur. I like a nice crisp image for some annoying reason, and I'm not not cluded in as to whether DLSS has improved a ton since what the 2070 Super was offering, but it always really bugged me to the point I never had it on. I've never turned raytracing on in anything, obviously I've never really had the card to see its potential without massive hits to performance and so never genuienly considered it. I wonder if I want to go down the route of needing it just yet

That Powercolor 7900XT does look like a very good price! I'm only apprehensive about going from green to red, for no other reason other than 'will I regret it'. I haven't had an AMD card since maybe 2011 (think it was a 7850 or something like that) and my last 2 cards have been an MSI 970 and Gigabyte 2070 Super. Geforce Experience has never given me any issues, not even sure what the AMD equivilent is!

I know the PSU question is a little up in the air as Tetras mentioned, but would you guys recommened getting a decent 850w to go alongside it?

 

[Gray2233]

Thanks for your suggestions guys, been super useful so far.

With regards to DLSS, I've tried my best to get on with it in games and I just can't see past the slight blur. I like a nice crisp image for some annoying reason, and I'm not not cluded in as to whether DLSS has improved a ton since what the 2070 Super was offering, but it always really bugged me to the point I never had it on. I've never turned raytracing on in anything, obviously I've never really had the card to see its potential without massive hits to performance and so never genuienly considered it. I wonder if I want to go down the route of needing it just yet

That Powercolor 7900XT does look like a very good price! I'm only apprehensive about going from green to red, for no other reason other than 'will I regret it'. I haven't had an AMD card since maybe 2011 (think it was a 7850 or something like that) and my last 2 cards have been an MSI 970 and Gigabyte 2070 Super. Geforce Experience has never given me any issues, not even sure what the AMD equivilent is!

I know the PSU question is a little up in the air as Tetras mentioned, but would you guys recommened getting a decent 850w to go alongside it?

What is the exact model of your PSU? It might be absolutely fine with a 7900XT.

As for regretting it, if you don't intend to use RT or DLSS then AMD is simply offering a better package right now in most cases. Obviously there's some games which heavily swing in favour of one vendor or another, but I'd say AMD's drivers are spot on and have been for a long time.

I don't know how a Geforce Experience equivalent might factor in as I don't use those things personally.

 

[Tetras]

I know the PSU question is a little up in the air as Tetras mentioned, but would you guys recommend getting a decent 850w to go alongside it?

If the PSU is a big concern, it is worth noting that the 4070 Super uses around 100 watt less under load (~220 versus ~320) at stock, though it also needs to use the adapter (on a pre atx3.0) psu) for the 12/16 pin, which the 7900 XT does not.

 

[JediFragger]

4080S would be a solid option at your resolution if you want to stick to Nvidia.

 

[Phixsator]

Anything over 500 quid now is gonna sting real bad in 2-3 months time. I'd rather spend as little as possible now(since the GPU is dead) and wait for what is on offer with the next release. Maybe even try out something different than you are used to, like a cheap rx 6750 or something in that ball park. I would be surprised if nvidia released something for 700 that couldn't beat the 4080s, in case you hated the Radeon experience, it in which case you wouldn't be worse off waiting than going with a 4080s now.

 

[Minstadave]

4080S would be a solid option at your resolution if you want to stick to Nvidia.

I'm not sure I'd want to drop nearly 1K on a 4080S with the 5xxx GPUs about to arrive.

 

[Kenjiin]

Current PSU is a Corsair TX650M. Would probably been looking at a new PSU just for peace of mind if anything. I'd probably selling my Xbox Series X to CEX for like £250 too, seeing as I've literally haven't turned it on in over a year as I only play my PS5/Switch for consoles.

 

[JediFragger]

I'm not sure I'd want to drop nearly 1K on a 4080S with the 5xxx GPUs about to arrive.

His money and he wants one now, 5000-series could be 6 months away for all we know.

 

[Gray2233]

Current PSU is a Corsair TX650M. Would probably been looking at a new PSU just for peace of mind if anything. I'd probably selling my Xbox Series X to CEX for like £250 too, seeing as I've literally haven't turned it on in over a year as I only play my PS5/Switch for consoles.

That's a high quality PSU, it'd be fine for something like a 7900XT.

If moving to a 4080S or 7900XTX you'd absolutely need to replace it, which would set you back another £100 or so.

 

[Gray2233]

His money and he wants one now, 5000-series could be 6 months away for all we know.

I'm seeing a lot of optimism over the launch costs too, expecting a 5080 for £1000 is a pipe dream and even mid range is going to be up there.

OP has a dead GPU judging from his first post, I still think the 7900XT is the best solution but it'll vary depending on the users needs.

 

[Kenjiin]

His money and he wants one now, 5000-series could be 6 months away for all we know.

Yeah, its tricky.

I will say, I was quite happy with the 2070 Super before it died. It did the job. I wasn't in the market for a card, I was going to see how Monster Hunter Wilds performed and go from there if need be. I'm sorta thrown into an awkward position.
I'm not super technical or obsessed over percentages. I've had this account since 2008 and only have 226 posts !

I just want to plug it in, install the drivers and go 'ooo this is much faster!'. If I'm right in thinking, I'm going to get that experience with the £630 7900XT when comparing it to a 2070S?
I could wait for the 50XX series, but then after waiting I'm going to be dropping £1100-1200 on a 5080 right? Are we thinking my 5800X3D is going to be fine and not bottleneck those cards? Then I start going down the bit by bit upgrades and before you know it, I have a new PC I didn't really want haha!

I think the only thing I'll regret is if I spend £600 now on a 7900XT, and then before the end of February there's a £700-800 card that blows it out the water (Again, not sure how likely that is). Anything that releases and is 1K+ I wouldn't really be comparing, as in my head they're completely different purchases.

Wish this card had made it to February xD

 

[Tetras]

I just want to plug it in, install the drivers and go 'ooo this is much faster!'. If I'm right in thinking, I'm going to get that experience with the £630 7900XT when comparing it to a 2070S?

From TPU's numbers, the 4070 Super is twice as fast and the 7900 XT over twice as fast, so I think you'll find the experience at 1440p UW satisfying either way.

 

[JediFragger]

Wish this card had made it to February xD

You could always buy something cheap like another 2070S and you'll barely lose any money on it when it comes time to sell?

Or splash out on a £200ish 3060Ti

 

[Gray2233]

Yeah, its tricky.

I will say, I was quite happy with the 2070 Super before it died. It did the job. I wasn't in the market for a card, I was going to see how Monster Hunter Wilds performed and go from there if need be. I'm sorta thrown into an awkward position.
I'm not super technical or obsessed over percentages. I've had this account since 2008 and only have 226 posts !

I just want to plug it in, install the drivers and go 'ooo this is much faster!'. If I'm right in thinking, I'm going to get that experience with the £630 7900XT when comparing it to a 2070S?
I could wait for the 50XX series, but then after waiting I'm going to be dropping £1100-1200 on a 5080 right? Are we thinking my 5800X3D is going to be fine and not bottleneck those cards? Then I start going down the bit by bit upgrades and before you know it, I have a new PC I didn't really want haha!

I think the only thing I'll regret is if I spend £600 now on a 7900XT, and then before the end of February there's a £700-800 card that blows it out the water (Again, not sure how likely that is). Anything that releases and is 1K+ I wouldn't really be comparing, as in my head they're completely different purchases.

Wish this card had made it to February xD

Buddy it's 131% faster than your 2070S, even without Geforce Experience you're going to have a grand old time.

Look, if you don't get on with it you can send it back by UK law within 14 days no question asked and it'll cost you nothing but postage.

A second hand 3060ti if you can be farted with it as suggested by Jedi would give you a tiny bit uplift, the card was about on par with a 2080. I owned one myself but was running out of V-ram at 2560x1080 in some of the games you've mentioned, let alone 1440P Ultrawide.

 

[zaniro]

XFX 7900 XT was £548.82 yesterday. Alternatively the 4070 Ti Super was £575.20 earlier on last month. Keep an eye out for deals and you can save a bundle if you are patient.