2080 vs 1080Ti ~ 1080Ti a better card?

[DarrenM343]

How bad is the nerf in reality? Peeps are still raving about 900 series in other threads

These days everyone is afraid to say "I don't know" but have an opinion, and that's often based on assumptions /speculation rather than fact (we all do it sometimes ).
NV I really doubt purposely hamper older gen cards. Games that were developed when the cards were current are probably not going to get slower. However, it's completely expected that more resources will be directed at the current gen. I assume architectures share some similarities so optimisations done for Pascal for example still work with Maxwell. If NV are able to form a larger performance gap between current and older gen cards even with old games it's probably that they're just able to eek a little more out of the latest cards. GPU's that were current when a game was releasd should be already pretty well optimised already.
Imagine trying to test every single card of say the latest 5 years against every new game. It'd be a time consuming, resource consuming task. I expect both NV and AMD have a way of simulating on different GPU's or at least architectures to make it a little easier.

EDIT: To answer the original question I would have wait for release details (specs/prices). A good rule of thumb however would always to pick up the new gen cards. It doesn't make sense to me to be buying new last gen GPU's unless the pricing is extremely attractive but that never really happens.
Even if the 2080 is just 8% faster for similar price, I'd go with the 2080 personally, just to get onto the forward facing technology.As well as performance you;ve got another 2-3years extra R&D.

 

[RBImGuy]

These days everyone is afraid to say "I don't know" but have an opinion, and that's often based on assumptions /speculation rather than fact (we all do it sometimes ).
NV I really doubt purposely hamper older gen cards. Games that were developed when the cards were current are probably not going to get slower. However, it's completely expected that more resources will be directed at the current gen. I assume architectures share some similarities so optimisations done for Pascal for example still work with Maxwell. If NV are able to form a larger performance gap between current and older gen cards even with old games it's probably that they're just able to eek a little more out of the latest cards. GPU's that were current when a game was releasd should be already pretty well optimised already.
Imagine trying to test every single card of say the latest 5 years against every new game. It'd be a time consuming, resource consuming task. I expect both NV and AMD have a way of simulating on different GPU's or at least architectures to make it a little easier

Common practice due to the work involved.
to stay up to date one requires at some point to upgrade for newer games.
Unless you play some old csgo or so

 

[nashathedog]

Easily, RTX 2080, similar price with 2080 launching maybe 75-100 cheaper while being ~20%? faster. [looking at history 980ti to 1080. You can safely bet it's gonna be very similar increase in perf. Nvidia specifically targets that, so it looks attractive for Ti owners]

The 980ti to 1080 move was a special case as it came after a long wait to go from 28nm to 16nm due to 20nm being a bust. The performance increase from a 1080ti to a 2080 may be there but I doubt it'll be by much in the majority of gaming situations.
I think that's why they're highlighting how much better it's Ray Tracing capabilities are and how Ray Tracing's the future for them.
They want to put the focus on the promise of big performance increases when we start to see future games taking advantage of the generations Ray Tracing ability.

I'm probably completely wrong but it's my current take on things.

 

[Scania]

Even at 4k I find my 1080ti more than good enough, yes it's a Zotac Amp Extreme so one of the fastest variations but still, I think I'm far more likely to upgrade my board,cpu & RAM long before I consider a gfx upgrade no matter how good the 20 series will be, and frankly I don't expect anything too revolutionary tbh.

 

[X-Mikuru_Beam-X]

Even at 4k I find my 1080ti more than good enough, yes it's a Zotac Amp Extreme so one of the fastest variations but still, I think I'm far more likely to upgrade my board,cpu & RAM long before I consider a gfx upgrade no matter how good the 20 series will be, and frankly I don't expect anything too revolutionary tbh.

I was never blown away by the 1080ti, I’d like to never see my frames drop under say 150-165fps @ 1440p in all my favourite games, which obviously isn’t possible with that GPU

 

[aoaaron]

I think one good reason to go from 1080ti to vanilla 2080 would be because of the concern Nvidia might nerf drivers for last gen

I don't think the fear of a theoretical minor nerf is worth upgrading from a 1080ti to a 2080. A 1080ti is a beast. Otherwise when does it end? Do people just keep throwing money at Nvidia going from cutting edge card to cutting edge card, rather than looking at what tangible real-time gaming performance gain they will get?

Thats literally just throwing money away.

 

[Scania]

I was never blown away by the 1080ti, I’d like to never see my frames drop under say 150-165fps @ 1440p in all my favourite games, which obviously isn’t possible with that GPU

I'm assuming by that you have a 144Hz screen? I'm also guessing it's not 4K? - you'll be waiting a long time to get a consistent 150-165fps there I think!

I find it subjective at best the fps debate, my screen (an LG 43" 4K TV) runs afaik @60Hz and I find it perfectly smooth and easy on the eyes (I don't wear glasses) my setup runs way above 60fps on almost everything (usually 100+) bar FSX which is in the 40's due to the coding of the SIM rather than anything else but it's still very smooth.

I have a friend with a 144Hz screen and 2 1080ti's in SLI and bar the higher fps figures I can't discern any difference but he swears it's so much better....

I'm very happy with my 1080ti, after two SLI 1070's (which in some instances are actually faster) As I say I don't feel the need for an upgrade any time soon.

Each to his own & all that.

 

[LuckyBenski]

I don't think the fear of a theoretical minor nerf is worth upgrading from a 1080ti to a 2080. A 1080ti is a beast. Otherwise when does it end? Do people just keep throwing money at Nvidia going from cutting edge card to cutting edge card, rather than looking at what tangible real-time gaming performance gain they will get?

Thats literally just throwing money away.

This. It's important to use your hardware and assess if you're happy with performance. If you're noticing the lack of power, consider an upgrade. Otherwise there is always another best card. I've fallen into this trap before.

Coming from console gaming, ~15 years since I had a decent PC, I've found that the steps in quality/performance in a game are so small and granular compared to console generations. You can up your settings and your GPU and there's the smallest of changes, whereas going from one console to next (so let's say skipping three GPU generations) is a leap each time.

 

[X-Mikuru_Beam-X]

I'm assuming by that you have a 144Hz screen? I'm also guessing it's not 4K? - you'll be waiting a long time to get a consistent 150-165fps there I think!

I find it subjective at best the fps debate, my screen (an LG 43" 4K TV) runs afaik @60Hz and I find it perfectly smooth and easy on the eyes (I don't wear glasses) my setup runs way above 60fps on almost everything (usually 100+) bar FSX which is in the 40's due to the coding of the SIM rather than anything else but it's still very smooth.

I have a friend with a 144Hz screen and 2 1080ti's in SLI and bar the higher fps figures I can't discern any difference but he swears it's so much better....

I'm very happy with my 1080ti, after two SLI 1070's (which in some instances are actually faster) As I say I don't feel the need for an upgrade any time soon.

Each to his own & all that.

As per my post, I run 1440p @165hz - I think everyone experiences things differently for sure, because I have always had terrible headaches playing fast paced shooters for any length of time on a 60hz monitor!

I don’t feel the *need to upgrade my 1080ti, but I want to! I’m not into the 4K scene btw.

 

[Scania]

As per my post, I run 1440p @165hz - I think everyone experiences things differently for sure, because I have always had terrible headaches playing fast paced shooters for any length of time on a 60hz monitor!

I don’t feel the *need to upgrade my 1080ti, but I want to! I’m not into the 4K scene btw.

Ahh, sorry, missed the 165Hz, call me thick (many do ) but don't you need an fps rate to match or better your Hz figure to get smooth flicker free images? - I'm assuming 150-165 barely reaches that - that's how I've always interpreted it...

I'm lucky, terrible headaches are alcohol related in my case, not - yet - from gaming.

 

[X-Mikuru_Beam-X]

Ahh, sorry, missed the 165Hz, call me thick (many do ) but don't you need an fps rate to match or better your Hz figure to get smooth flicker free images? - I'm assuming 150-165 barely reaches that - that's how I've always interpreted it...

I'm lucky, terrible headaches are alcohol related in my case, not - yet - from gaming.

It’s a G-sync monitor so the monitor and card are in sync whatever the FPS! Even so, I still like my FPS well into the hundreds =)

 

[JessieD]

I'm not going to be able to afford the 2080, unless it is below the £500 mark. So I think I'll probably have to go for a 1080 or 1080Ti

 

[nomadd]

either a 1080Ti or a 2080 which would you pick & why?

2080.

Bigger number, innit.

 

[LuckyBenski]

2080.

Bigger number, innit.

But the 1080Ti has LETTERS, letters are worth way more than numbers!

 

[edscdk]

But still, informed opinion is still nowhere near as good as fact tomorrow. There'll still be a massive discussion on here about the facts

Really, you should factor in heat and energy consumption too as that's always a big chance from one generation to the next. Unless you're running water and literally don't care about energy use.

Who cares about heat or electric usage when they are spending £500 on a video card.. Maybe 10 people in the country

 

[Jase]

How much do the old cards normally drop in price when there is a new release?

By that I mean how much will a new and used 1080Ti be after the new be after the new gen is released?

 

[IceWind]

ive held onto my gtx980ti.... i might get the 2080ti or i might just get the 2080... will see how it is

 

[nomadd]

How much do the old cards normally drop in price when there is a new release?

By that I mean how much will a new and used 1080Ti be after the new be after the new gen is released?

Going by the current silly prices on eBay, it's as if many folks aren't even aware the 2080/70 series is being announced in a few hours!

 

[Midlife Crisis]

There is an upshift in the amount of 1080ti's being listed but no real drop in price, a 980ti still fetches well over 200 sometimes no real sense to prices on the bay

 

[LuckyBenski]

There is an upshift in the amount of 1080ti's being listed but no real drop in price, a 980ti still fetches well over 200 sometimes no real sense to prices on the bay

Got that right - been shopping for a card for my nephew (something around 70-100) and the cards are super competed for. Every £5 will net you a slightly better card. But 1070s and 1080s are all over the place today with £100-150 knocked off.