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[Gerard]

I find it hard to tell the difference as well, especially when gaming. In static screenshots with the aid of zooming in then its possible to see the difference, but if you're playing something like counterstrike or dod imo 4x or 16x its all the same, you're not gonna notice anything gobsmackingly obvious that you're "only" using 4xfsaa.

 

[mrk]

2x is my standard for MP games SP games on the other hand as much as the gfx can handle

 

[Dutch Guy]

How can people tell the difference between 4xAA and 16xAA, I mean, 4x normal FSAA looks amazing as it is...

If I look closely I can still see some jaggies when using 4xAA as my max resolution is 1280*1024

Luckily the difference in framerate between 4xAA and 8xCSAA/16xCSAA is very small

 

[J.D]

I think they wanted to take a risk and see if they could get away with the new arc, obviously they couldn't really

Crazy time to take a risk when they needed something to beat the GTX and Ultra. The current X2900 should have been the card after the GTX/Ultra competitor but obviously worked on a lot more as it's a step in the right direction but just a little too soon.

With a card that's underpowered in comparison to the GTX/Ultra, why are they trying to bring out more AA . Even underpowered they take a hit higher than the GTX/Ultra.

I really hope ATI/AMD can get a lot more out of their cards. Either that or just to get them stable and work on a card that will have us all raving about and to get Nvidia to drop prices and release their next beast. No competition this time round is showing on the prices. I never expected this at the beginning of the year. I don't think many did after ATI's great run from the 9700Pro to X1900.

 

[Gerard]

Wouldn't say ati's run was great, it was good with the 97-9800 series, x800 series slipped up, the pro was easy to get, xt hard to get and xt-pe near impossible to get. Refresh wasn't much better x850 introduced the loud cooler and a tiny clockspeed bump, availability still not great. x1800 was delayed for months and was on par with the 7800 when it finally arrived, performance improved with new drivers.

Then the x1900 arrived and stole the show more or less.

Out of all those launches id say the 9700-9800-x1900 were good, the rest were botched with products appearing late or with little to no availability (x800\x850\x1800).

 

[Tom|Nbk]

Wouldn't say ati's run was great, it was good with the 97-9800 series, x800 series slipped up, the pro was easy to get, xt hard to get and xt-pe near impossible to get. Refresh wasn't much better x850 introduced the loud cooler and a tiny clockspeed bump, availability still not great. x1800 was delayed for months and was on par with the 7800 when it finally arrived, performance improved with new drivers.

Then the x1900 arrived and stole the show more or less.

Out of all those launches id say the 9700-9800-x1900 were good, the rest were botched with products appearing late or with little to no availability (x800\x850\x1800).

Hmm yea I believe that the X19XX series were the best ATi card's to date and their best run to date.

 

[SS-89]

The 9700 series was an absolute show stopper when it was released, completely unexpected, the 9800 cards were legendary and I loved mine, best card ive owned to date then my 6800gt was the next best card ive owned. (Voodoo 3 was my favourite but not the best, not by a long stretch )

 

[Tom|Nbk]

The 9700 series was an absolute show stopper when it was released, completely unexpected, the 9800 cards were legendary and I loved mine, best card ive owned to date then my 6800gt was the next best card ive owned. (Voodoo 3 was my favourite but not the best, not by a long stretch )

I agree I loved my 9800 Pro with the HL2 voucher

 

[J.D]

Wouldn't say ati's run was great, it was good with the 97-9800 series, x800 series slipped up, the pro was easy to get, xt hard to get and xt-pe near impossible to get. Refresh wasn't much better x850 introduced the loud cooler and a tiny clockspeed bump, availability still not great. x1800 was delayed for months and was on par with the 7800 when it finally arrived, performance improved with new drivers.

Then the x1900 arrived and stole the show more or less.

Out of all those launches id say the 9700-9800-x1900 were good, the rest were botched with products appearing late or with little to no availability (x800\x850\x1800).

Erm, do you not know about the 6 and 7 series and the incapable AA & HDR that ATI could do so easily?. Also ATI has greater image quality by far than the 6 and 7 series and scales better at bigger resolutions.

So no - ATI have been on a great run since 9700Pro like I said.

Edit: I had the XT PE version of X800. Had to wait a while though . Sold for £107 on a famous auction site less than a year ago .

 

[Hamoodii]

I agree I loved my 9800 Pro with the HL2 voucher

I had the 9800XT with the half-life 2 voucher

Those were the days

 

[helmutcheese]

JD, since the 6800Ultra came out in April 2004 (paper launch) its no great shame that it was worlds 1st DX9C / S.M 3.0 / P.S 3.0 HDR card and could not use AA at same time, ATI relased a DX9B card then with X800 and X850 bit late in the day IMO.

I remember the ATI cards used the chucky patch to get HDR+AA in Oblivion and was a bit jealous and agree it was bad the next 7000 cards still did not do HDR+AA, as I owned a 7900GTX.

 

[J.D]

JD, since the 6800Ultra came out in April 2004 (paper launch) its no great shame that it was worlds 1st DX9C / S.M 3.0 / P.S 3.0 HDR card and could not use AA at same time, ATI relased a DX9B card then with X800 and X850 bit late in the day IMO.

I remember the ATI cards used the chucky patch to get HDR+AA in Oblivion and was a bit jealous and agree it was bad the next 7000 cards still did not do HDR+AA, as I owned a 7900GTX.

Yeah, just a little ahead of their time though as SM3 was better run on 7 series or X18/19xx series cards (mostly). Like the current cards are currently running DX10 from what we've had the pleasure of seeing.

I do admit that Nvidia were launching better and had the more advanced card at the time then but also had some problems with HDR and AA. Nvidia's image quality was very questionable until the 8th series also. ATI got it right but a bit later and yes, the availability was poor.

The 6 series got a nose in front but ATI's answer was a bit more powerful with the ability to run things that the 6th series could just as the 6th series could run SM3 when ATI couldn't. From that point of view it is a draw as they have equalled each other out. Then you add image quality and the power of scaling better at high resolutions and that's what puts ATI slightly ahead in that battle in my view.

I tried a 6800GT, 7600GT OC and a 7800GTX. I did not like them and always replaced them with ATI. I enjoyed the 9800Pro I had then tried the 6800GT. Didn't like that so I changed to X800XT PE and it was much better. Same with the 7600GT OC, 3 weeks and then I bought the X1900 which totally walked over that card. Last year I had my m8's 7800GTX in my machine for about 2 weeks as I was overclocking it for him. Again, I didn't like it at all and was happy when I had my card back in.

Now I wouldn't hesitate any 8 series Nvidia card as they are the dogs danglies. I used to be an ATI fanboy but that was because every time I tried an Nvidia card I was disappointed so there was no option for me but I can't be that much of a fanboy if my next card is looking to be Nvidia .

 

[Tom|Nbk]

JD, since the 6800Ultra came out in April 2004 (paper launch) its no great shame that it was worlds 1st DX9C / S.M 3.0 / P.S 3.0 HDR card and could not use AA at same time, ATI relased a DX9B card then with X800 and X850 bit late in the day IMO.

I remember the ATI cards used the chucky patch to get HDR+AA in Oblivion and was a bit jealous and agree it was bad the next 7000 cards still did not do HDR+AA, as I owned a 7900GTX.

Ahh the chuck patch you can't begin to understand how many cards that alone sold

 

[Bossk128]

Yea I get around 60fps IIRC. But then when In game the performance is more than playable around 70-120FPS as I said above. It does really stress the card though and you need crossfire to run it in most games at a playable level atm

Here is a screenshot in untouched BMP format (5MB )

http://download.yousendit.com/06566A770231E955

Weird, that link consistently crashes my Opera!

 

[martin9887]

I had a PowerColour X800Pro 256mb, Bought from OcUK for about £350 I think it was . Loved it and still working very well now.

I now have the 8800GTX, Nice big jump for me.