30/11 Strikes.

If I relied only on my employer for my pension instead of taking some personal responsibility then I would be stupid...but hey ho I must be both stupid and incompetent at my job because I trusted people in authority at their word.....

Yer well they shafted my income that many times now I've given up hope so I decided to jump straight to the bottom whilst everyone else fights their way there. Figured early bird catches the worm and all that.
 
My grandmother goes into hospital tomorrow for a tumour removal and at least one week's worth of recovery treatment that she's been waiting for for months.

Apparently some nurses/surgeons/etc. will be striking tomorrow.

**** them.


We're all in this together remember.
 
My grandmother goes into hospital tomorrow for a tumour removal and at least one week's worth of recovery treatment that she's been waiting for for months.

Apparently some nurses/surgeons/etc. will be striking tomorrow.

**** them.

If people don't strike, and CONTINUE to strike to show these CONS they mean business, this government will have sold the NHS off by the time their term ends and your poor grandma won't have an nhs to go to
 
but anyway, not to derail the thread, that is a different discussion.

The point is, this current bunch of incapable fools is wrecking the economy even faster than Thatcher and her ilk... The next couple of years are going to get far worse and I can't see the situation improving untill radical and immediate reforms take place within our financial sector

Serious question.......

do you think Labour under brown would have done better or anything different ? Do you thinks labours reckless borrow to spend and pay back later approach was sound fiscal policy. Was Gordon Brown the chancellor who ended boom and bust or did he simply fool us all ?

I'd wager Labour would have still been required to make cuts to bring the countries books back in order, then they would have simply taxed the 'squeezed middle' a lot more to keep the 'benefit voters' happy and see them through another term.

For all we know we could already have been knocking at the door of the IMF again asking for a rescue package ? who knows.
 
Yer well they shafted my income that many times now I've given up hope so I decided to jump straight to the bottom whilst everyone else fights their way there. Figured early bird catches the worm and all that.

:D

Thing is, I was quite supportive of them, however their tactics are slowly eroding any sympathy I have tbh.
 
Thats not the point

Just FYI, I'm a full supporter of PR. The issue of unhappiness with the make up of the current government, however, is unrelated to PR. The period from 1997 -2010 provides a much better study of the massive flaws of FPTP, especially when combined with gerrymandering.
 
The intention to strike was not announced till last minute as possible, to cause as much disruption as possible.

Yes, heaven forbid that the aim of a strike is to cause disruption :rolleyes:


Maybe they should all sit around after school singning songs about how displeased they are instead.
 
Yes, heaven forbid that the aim of a strike is to cause disruption :rolleyes:


Maybe they should all sit around after school singning songs about how displeased they are instead.

Maybe we should stop protecting the ability to withdraw labour if it is going to be used as a means to subvert the democratic process?

Perhaps a reading of the article by Len McClusky in the Guardian today will shed more light on the real purpose of the strikes in the eyes of the union leadership?
 
Lobby your MP for a change in the law then because currently, whilst an employer can ask if you intend to participate in industrial actions, you are under no obligation to answer.

why wouldn't you answer unless you were trying to be deliberately misleading or awkward ? It doesn't help to garner public support if you start hacking off the general public in this way. Most people whilst inconvenienced would probably not be as bothered, however pull stunts like Castiel described and you can pretty much forget about public support and empathy.
 
Serious question.......

do you think Labour under brown would have done better or anything different ? Do you thinks labours reckless borrow to spend and pay back later approach was sound fiscal policy. Was Gordon Brown the chancellor who ended boom and bust or did he simply fool us all ?

I'd wager Labour would have still been required to make cuts to bring the countries books back in order, then they would have simply taxed the 'squeezed middle' a lot more to keep the 'benefit voters' happy and see them through another term.

For all we know we could already have been knocking at the door of the IMF again asking for a rescue package ? who knows.

GOOD question. Brown has strongly said that he wouldn't cut public spending to cover the deficit, and in this sentiment he would have been correct. The deficit has GROWN massively under the tories, AND we have all this public discontent, broken society and flatlining industry. Scandinavia and much of mainland Europe has increased public spending and come off better for doing so, because public spending stmulates the economy far better than giving tax cuts to the rich!

The financial collapse was not caused by any one government, it was caused by a runaway american style banking system spreading to europe and being adopted on the premise that 'if we don't follow the americans we will get behind'.

Countries which did not allow their banks to merge the savings and investment arms (doing away with the Glas-Stiegel act) have continued to flourish - I live in Denmark and believe me there is NO hint of recession here
 
why wouldn't you answer unless you were trying to be deliberately misleading or awkward ? It doesn't help to garner public support if you start hacking off the general public in this way. Most people whilst inconvenienced would probably not be as bothered, however pull stunts like Castiel described and you can pretty much forget about public support and empathy.

Because a strike SHOULD be disruptive - giving advance notice to your employer of your intentions enables them to make alternative arrangements.

Those alternative arrangements reduce the impact of the strike and hence it's effective bargaining power.

Cmon people, stop being so naive and use your noggin' a bit!
 
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