30/11 Strikes.

Dolph said:
You're yet to explain how, in a competitive as opposed to forceful market, excessive pay and conditions leads to anything other than redundancy, business failure, and in the event that all companies go down this path, market sector decline...
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Well, I have a final salary pension with my private sector emplyer - because we presented an excellent business case (backed up by intimidation, bullying and the threat of unreasonable industrial action of course). 12 years later I still have a job, will do for the forseable future and the company seems to be doing excellently on all accounts.

What you deem as excessive, others view as entirely reasonable. As I always say - it's all a matter of perspective.

How do John Lewis manage to provide final salary pensions if they are "excessive"? Is John lewis a struggling business? Sales only 0.8% lower in the middle of a recession? Why aren't they closing schemes and laying off people if their remuneration package is excessive?
 
I don't really have much of an opinion on this issue, but it must suck to have your pension reduced if you always believed you would have it.

Apparently as my Mother is 60 within ten years, she isn't affected by the changes. Or something.
 
Nitefly said:
I don't really have much of an opinion on this issue, but it must suck to have your pension reduced if you always believed you would have it.

Apparently as my Mother is 60 within ten years, she isn't affected by the changes. Or something.
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I figured they were just paying more but getting the same outcome :o
 
shoes said:
You're a liberal?

Thank you for your contribution in destroying our country. Well done. I hope you're proud.
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I think the 13 years of Labour fiscal lunacy headed up by the Brown and the poor advice from people at the time like Balls destroyed this country long before Dolph may or may not have voted for the libs in the last election
 
Nitefly said:
I honestly don't know, but the last I heard people had to pay more AND get less as a result, which sounds a bit 'doomsday'. Can anyone clarify this?
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Ah, probably about right then...Thing is, stuff happens.

If this happened to my current pension, guess what I would do? I'd move! :rolleyes:
 
amigafan2003 said:
Haha - haven't read the new today then?
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I have, I suppose blackmail does tend to make things awkward, but as long as they don't give in to everything it's fine.

No doubt they'll be striking again next month wanting everyone's pay doubling or something equally bizarre and ridiculous.

I think Jeremy Clarkson captured the mood very well, and I also think it's hilarious that a lot of places thought he was being entirely serious. :D

amigafan2003 said:
That's not a lie - they ARE cutting spending too quickly and deeply.
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It is a lie. Ideally they wouldn't cut spending at all, but unfortunately they have to. People just *shocker* don't like it.
 
groen said:
I think this episode is a great case for changing the way democracy works.

I think that government workers or contractors or anyone that is on the receiving end of any sort of government budget. Be it national or at the council level. Should not have the right to vote.

Giving government beneficiaries the right to vote is a conflict of interest and will ultimately lead to the bankruptcy of the government and the destruction of the productive half of the economy.

I would also consider removing the right to vote for all people on welfare. The only people that should have the right to vote are tax paying British citizens of birth that do not work in the public sector. This would end the conflict of interest and give justice to the term, public servant.
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Bloody hell groen - you're turing into a right little Hitler aren't you?
 
Robbo said:
These unions are just like a load of sulking children really. They don't get what they want (and shouldn't have anyway) so have a fit about it instead.

I hope the government stand firm against them, they'll give up eventually with any luck. :)
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Another right winger with a nice car in hig sig, surprise surprise....

If you are CONSERVATIVE and POOR, you are the biggest of the FOOLS!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D
 
What would happen if the Government doesn't move their stance?

If people keep striking, the public get tired of it, the parents will be sick of teachers going on strike and having to look for childcare, patients will be sick of cancelling surgery appointments etc etc etc.

Stories will come out with some single mothers who works 60 hours a week and taking a day off work will cause great financial troubles etc. (and compare to these Headteachers on £100k a year)

They can't keep striking, once public opinion turns then its game over surely?
 
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Delvis said:
I figured they were just paying more but getting the same outcome :o
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Nope - pay 50% more, work longer, get less.

if the government dropped any one of those (i.e. pay more, work longer but get the same pension) they'd have a deal on thier hands (which they probably have actually ;))
 
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shoes said:
What the... I don't even....arghhhh what is wrong with these people ?!?!?!?!?!?!

******* idiots.

Sack them all - we have 3M unemployed - force them into their jobs, make these whingy, whiney, lazy, greedy, ****wit ****holes suffer, they are a blight on our country and need knocking down a peg or two.

Where on earth do they think the money for public sector spending actually comes from?!

Left wingers, socialists, liberals do my head in - what is wrong with them?
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Well I hope you are rich enough to have private health insurance, just imagine what would happen to you if you needed healthcare on the NHS given your recommendations :eek::eek::eek:
 
oulton said:
Another right winger with a nice car in hig sig, surprise surprise....

If you are CONSERVATIVE and POOR, you are the biggest of the FOOLS!!!!!:D:D:D:D:D:D
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Yeah, people with nice cars should all go on strike. Let's see how fast we all get sacked because you can't behave like that when it comes to the real world, the public sector just want something for nothing - as usual.
 
amigafan2003 said:
Well, I have a final salary pension with my private sector emplyer - because we presented an excellent business case (backed up by intimidation, bullying and the threat of unreasonable industrial action of course). 12 years later I still have a job, will do for the forseable future and the company seems to be doing excellently on all accounts.

What you deem as excessive, others view as entirely reasonable. As I always say - it's all a matter of perspective.

How do John Lewis manage to provide final salary pensions if they are "excessive"? Is John lewis a struggling business? Sales only 0.8% lower in the middle of a recession? Why aren't they closing schemes and laying off people if their remuneration package is excessive?
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Spotlight fallacy alert...

John Lewis is a premium retailer with a focus on customer service, targeting the premium market, along with a particular ownership model (which I strongly support incidentally).

Just because John Lewis can support something doesn't mean it is suitable, for example, for a company with a cost driven market approach.
 
Raymond Lin said:
They can't keep striking, once public opinion turns then its game over surely?
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That depends what way public opinion turns doesn't it? I.e. will the public get angry at the strikers for not accepting a deal or do they get angry at the government for not offering a and acceptable deal?

It's all a gamble - both sides know the risks - in some ways it's a do or die approach by both parties.
 
Robbo said:
Yeah, people with nice cars should all go on strike. Let's see how fast we all get sacked because you can't behave like that when it comes to the real world, the public sector just want something for nothing - as usual.
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Why should wealthy people like yourself begrudge those poorer than themselves, i find it absolutely disgusting :mad:
 
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