£300-350 Monitor

[EsaT]

Its not about being competetive either, It is simply IPS is garbage and requires nearly double the fps of an CRT or OLED for the same effect.

So are also you full of garbage, if you claim that IPS is automatically garbage and TN automatically good.
LG 27GL850 matches 240 Hz TN here:
https://youtu.be/T5Loh7vOcVM?t=340
And two fastest TNs also have more RTC overshoot.

As for eye's "sample and hold" effect LCD's type of liquid crystal makes no difference.

 

[mattyfez]

Its not about being competetive either, It is simply IPS is garbage and requires nearly double the fps of an CRT or OLED for the same effect. And it just about works at 240hz but i can tell i prefer 280hz on mine and this is the latest fast IPS 1ms so its going to be faster than 144hz nano IPS.

Well I'm loving mine, it's a big upgrade over my 1080 tn screen, and i'm running on questionable hardware too, so I'm running it at 1440, 120hz, with freesync on, and I can only describe it as very good.

 

[Rofflay]

So are also you full of garbage, if you claim that IPS is automatically garbage and TN automatically good.
LG 27GL850 matches 240 Hz TN here:
https://youtu.be/T5Loh7vOcVM?t=340
And two fastest TNs also have more RTC overshoot.

As for eye's "sample and hold" effect LCD's type of liquid crystal makes no difference.

Actually i said TN was garbage too the colors and viewing angles are not good and even 240hz first gen has motion blur. Apart from the actual animation fluidity which only comes from raw fps you can see how fps v fps lcd tech struggles so badly at ghosting and blur. Its laughable i grew up on a Sony CRT and my last monitors were 240hz TN PG258Q, Then back to 240hz VA FG2421 then to first gen IPS 240hz VG259QM and my phone also has an AMOLED and if i had to rank them all from best to worst id say the AMOLED would win if it had the fps of the others but hands down the others are still not that great and i am fussy about it.


If you gave me a free 144hz IPS or TN id say no thats the truth the only acceptable monitor i found so far has been 280hz IPS its the closest thing i seen to CRT and its only £268.99. And it can do 4k as well so i mean no actual offence to the other people but im just telling you what ive studied in the last 20yrs. If you want a blur free IPS sure there are other models like the ACER its not in the OPs price range. My recomendation was.

 

[Xelene]

165hz dell will be fine for BF etc. Outside of a few games you're not gonna get higher FPS anyway and image quality > the extra 100 fps you won't get in the games you play.

 

[Xelene]

165hz dell will be fine for BF etc. Outside of a few games you're not gonna get higher FPS anyway and image quality > the extra 100 fps you won't get in the games you play.

 

[Rofflay]

165hz dell will be fine for BF etc. Outside of a few games you're not gonna get higher FPS anyway and image quality > the extra 100 fps you won't get in the games you play.

165fps capped on a 280hz display is superior to 165fps on a 165hz display. You are hinting the extra fps is wasted and refresh this is total myth and false. Ita best go as high as you can in hertz and cap even at 144fps. Ive tried it people dont seem to understand this fact.


Also higher hertz means better image quality too even at half refresh rate there is less blur and aliasing. So i guess it has merit against 1440p. For me the small trade to 1440p is not worth it. It is not a large leap on paper 1080p to 1440p is not as much as 165 to 280.

 

[trawetSluaP]

165fps capped on a 280hz display is superior to 165fps on a 165hz display. You are hinting the extra fps is wasted and refresh this is total myth and false. Ita best go as high as you can in hertz and cap even at 144fps. Ive tried it people dont seem to understand this fact.


Also higher hertz means better image quality too even at half refresh rate there is less blur and aliasing. So i guess it has merit against 1440p. For me the small trade to 1440p is not worth it. It is not a large leap on paper 1080p to 1440p is not as much as 165 to 280.

The jump from 1080p to 1440p is almost a 80% increase in pixel count. It may not be a large leap to you, but IMO 1440 at 144/165 > 1080p at 240Hz. Any extra image quality you claim 240Hz provides is lost in the upgrade in resolution.

The difference in running 165Hz on a 240Hz monitor will be negligible at best.

We get it, you've got a new monitor you're chuffed with and you want to promote it but it doesn't match TC's requirements.

Had I gonna for a 1080p monitor I would have got a 240Hz monitor too, no question but I definitely would have avoided ASUS.

 

[chroniclard]

Actually i said TN was garbage too the colors and viewing angles are not good and even 240hz first gen has motion blur. Apart from the actual animation fluidity which only comes from raw fps you can see how fps v fps lcd tech struggles so badly at ghosting and blur. Its laughable i grew up on a Sony CRT and my last monitors were 240hz TN PG258Q, Then back to 240hz VA FG2421 then to first gen IPS 240hz VG259QM and my phone also has an AMOLED and if i had to rank them all from best to worst id say the AMOLED would win if it had the fps of the others but hands down the others are still not that great and i am fussy about it.

If you gave me a free 144hz IPS or TN id say no thats the truth the only acceptable monitor i found so far has been 280hz IPS its the closest thing i seen to CRT and its only £268.99. And it can do 4k as well so i mean no actual offence to the other people but im just telling you what ive studied in the last 20yrs. If you want a blur free IPS sure there are other models like the ACER its not in the OPs price range. My recomendation was so

Seems to be a lot of extreme exaggeration here.

 

[trawetSluaP]

Seems to be a lot of extreme exaggeration here.

Yup.

Like I've said, if OP wanted a 1080p monitor then going 240Hz would be my recommendation considering how powerful even entry level GPUs are now, however, this dude seems to have an agenda against 1440p and a massive hard-on for the new ASUS monitor he's bought. To that I say good, I'm glad he's pleased with his purchase, however OP has already stated he wants a 1440p monitor.

Based on past experience I would be reluctant to recommend ASUS for any range of gaming monitors unfortunately.

 

[Rofflay]

The jump from 1080p to 1440p is almost a 80% increase in pixel count. It may not be a large leap to you, but IMO 1440 at 144/165 > 1080p at 240Hz. Any extra image quality you claim 240Hz provides is lost in the upgrade in resolution.

The difference in running 165Hz on a 240Hz monitor will be negligible at best.

We get it, you've got a new monitor you're chuffed with and you want to promote it but it doesn't match TC's requirements.

Had I gonna for a 1080p monitor I would have got a 240Hz monitor too, no question but I definitely would have avoided ASUS.

For FPS how can 165 1440p be better than 240 1080? Also it may be %77 overall but you failed to take into account the screen size bump too from 24 to 27 inch. So really 1440p 27 isnt much at all over 24 1080. 90 vs 108 ppi mate isnt 77% lol its more like a 24% upgrade in pixel density lol. Now do the maths for 165 versus 240 or 280 its a 70% upgrade in fps. So its not worth it at all thats why i dont like 1440p its a small upgrade where the fps is a large one 24 versus 70 percent says where the smart money goes.


I dont lie also or really do extreme exaggeration i am just interested in giving people the best advice and find the best display. And really i pity people who buy 165hz thats the truth i felt bad for the guy but im out now so Gl hopefully he enjoys it but it wont have a patch on 1080p 280hz as far as blur and price and ppi go.

 

[trawetSluaP]

For FPS how can 165 1440p be better than 240 1080? Also it may be %77 overall but you failed to take into account the screen size bump too from 24 to 27 inch. So really 1440p 27 isnt much at all over 24 1080. 90 vs 108 ppi mate isnt 77% lol its more like a 24% upgrade in pixel density lol. Now do the maths for 165 versus 240 or 280 its a 70% upgrade in fps. So its not worth it at all thats why i dont like 1440p its a small upgrade where the fps is a large one 24 versus 70 percent says where the smart money goes.


I dont lie also or really do extreme exaggeration i am just interested in giving people the best advice and find the best display. And really i pity people who buy 165hz thats the truth i felt bad for the guy but im out now so Gl hopefully he enjoys it but it wont have a patch on 1080p 280hz as far as blur and price and ppi go.

I mean... You contradicted yourself a fair bit there.

I did clarify that in mu opinion (IMO) the 1440p/144Hz+ is a better gaming experience, that's just my opinion and resolution, PPI, Refresh rate are all subjective.

In my own experience the jump from a 24" 1080p monitor to a 27" 1440p was very noticeable and provided a considerably better looking gaming experience (again, just what I've found personally).

The jump from 60Hz to 144Hz was massive, the biggest jump a gamer can find in a monitor (IMO). However, when I tried a 240Hz monitor (the G7) there wasn't as much of a difference. Again, this is only to me.

The screen size increase from 24" to 27" doesn't even come close to levelling out the increase of resolution from 1080p to 1440p. You claim of only 24% increase makes no sense where the GPU is driving 77% more pixels.

You've also completely ignored one of the most important aspects: warranty. Another reason I recommend Dell.

At the end of the day, each to their own. I personally won't drop down to 1080p anymore and will eventually move to 4K when GPUs can reliably do 4K/144Hz+.

 

[Rofflay]

I mean... You contradicted yourself a fair bit there.

I did clarify that in mu opinion (IMO) the 1440p/144Hz+ is a better gaming experience, that's just my opinion and resolution, PPI, Refresh rate are all subjective.

In my own experience the jump from a 24" 1080p monitor to a 27" 1440p was very noticeable and provided a considerably better looking gaming experience (again, just what I've found personally).

The jump from 60Hz to 144Hz was massive, the biggest jump a gamer can find in a monitor (IMO). However, when I tried a 240Hz monitor (the G7) there wasn't as much of a difference. Again, this is only to me.

The screen size increase from 24" to 27" doesn't even come close to levelling out the increase of resolution from 1080p to 1440p. You claim of only 24% increase makes no sense where the GPU is driving 77% more pixels.

You've also completely ignored one of the most important aspects: warranty. Another reason I recommend Dell.

At the end of the day, each to their own. I personally won't drop down to 1080p anymore and will eventually move to 4K when GPUs can reliably do 4K/144Hz+.

It does not make sense why its only 24% to you yet 77% more pixels? Well resolution does not mean sharpness bro, Its PIXEL DENSITY that makes the image sharper that people attribute to it looking better. So as i said its 24% sharper for a lot more money because its 90 vs 111ppi on both panels. So whats the gain here? Why bother and pay such a premuim for 24% sharpness? My 1080p panel can spank your 1440p one if i run 4k DSR also so there goes your pixel density because you cant do 1:1 downsampling either its not a direct match for any resolutions 1440p is an odd number so its got no flexibility where had he wanted he could do a direct 1:1 downscale from 4k and run it at 144hz like i do sometimes and it will look vastly vastly better than 1440p 165hz. Indeed had i wanted to really boast here i would say the technical limitation of my 1080p panel is 8k 280hz.


And as for 24% sharpness, Weigh that against the 70% refresh increase. So much less blur, Lag, Ghosting, Input lag, And less Aliasing too. It is not far off double 144hz so i dont know why you want to pay £350 on offer against £268. And the Asus has a 3yr warranty as well so theres no way the Dell could come close. And it costs £100 more so why would you do it to yourself.

 

[Sparx]

Rofflay, ok we get it. You like your new monitor and want to justify your own purchase. Good for you...

Now you’ve stated your opinion (and then some, many times) you can leave this thread now.

If OP chooses to change his mind, fine. But if he wants 1440p then no harm in that either. Everyone has their own preferences, stop trying to ram your own home any further.

 

[trawetSluaP]

Indeed had i wanted to really boast here i would say the technical limitation of my 1080p panel is 8k 280hz.

And the Asus has a 3yr warranty as well so theres no way the Dell could come close. And it costs £100 more so why would you do it to yourself.

Now you're just trolling. 8K? Hahahaha. You just get more and more ridiculous.

Pixel density is very subjective but a full 77% increase to resolution is not. You can use DSR all you want but it's not as good as native 4K...

Furthermore, ASUS warranty support is atrocious, whereas Dell offer advanced warranty replacement as standard with Zero tolerance for screen defects.

GGs on rambling on about your amazing 1080p screen when the OP has asked for recommendations on a 1440p monitor.

Even if I were to recommend a 1080p/240Hz+ monitor I would urge people to stay away from ASUS due to their poor QC and warranty support.

 

[Rofflay]

Now you're just trolling. 8K? Hahahaha. You just get more and more ridiculous.

Pixel density is very subjective but a full 77% increase to resolution is not. You can use DSR all you want but it's not as good as native 4K...

Furthermore, ASUS warranty support is atrocious, whereas Dell offer advanced warranty replacement as standard with Zero tolerance for screen defects.

GGs on rambling on about your amazing 1080p screen when the OP has asked for recommendations on a 1440p monitor.

Even if I were to recommend a 1080p/240Hz+ monitor I would urge people to stay away from ASUS due to their poor QC and warranty support.

I never once claimed DSR was as good as native how can it be when it is still 1080p actual physical pixels. Also remember this started as i said the recomendation you made for fps i thought was not the best one as the OP actually never asked for 1440p go read post 1 he never once typed 1440p for a time lol. So how was it rambling your butt hurt i challanged your 1440p recomendation and techincally for FPS like BF and COD the panel i recomended wins hands down all day every day for what the OP wanted in post one.


Maybe Dell win on Warranty, But i dont game on my warranty...

 

[trawetSluaP]

Actually the 8k was just an example i tested it while not really useable it works but you said i am trolling no you are just too dumb to figure out how to do it. I also never once claimed DSR was as good as native how can it be when it is still 1080p actual physical pixels. Also remember this started as i said the recomendation you made for fps i thought was not the best one as the OP actually never asked for 1440p go read post 1 he never once typed 1440p for a time lol. So how was it rambling your butt hurt i challanged your 1440p recomendation and techincally for FPS like BF and COD the panel i recomended wins hands down all day every day for what the OP wanted in post one.


Maybe Dell win on Warranty, But i dont game on my warranty...

Check post #16...

Your recommendation came after he'd ordered...

Also, you warranty comment is just ignorant.

We're are no longer adding to the thread anymore and whilst I do enjoy a good debate I believe we've moved passed what I would consider reasonable.

You enjoy your monitor, I'll enjoy mine and OP can enjoy his.

 

[Rofflay]

Check post #16...

Your recommendation came after he'd ordered...

Also, you warranty comment is just ignorant.

We're are no longer adding to the thread anymore and whilst I do enjoy a good debate I believe we've moved passed what I would consider reasonable.

You enjoy your monitor, I'll enjoy mine and OP can enjoy his.

So you think its not on to reccomend something after he ordered what world do you live in, This is a forum your viewa and reccomendations will be challanged otherwise its not really a good place to come and ask for advice. He can send it back or read what i wrote its his choice and he can enjoy it regardless but your butthurt someone said maybe this guy reccomended the wrong monitor?

Thats why you keep typing your butthurt i said you didnt make the best reccomendation to him and you think because you got there first and he ordered no one then can or should post further lol. Yeah not how forums work buddy... But GL

 

[trawetSluaP]

So you think its not on to reccomend something after he ordered what world do you live in, This is a forum your viewa and reccomendations will be challanged otherwise its not really a good place to come and ask for advice. He can send it back or read what i wrote its his choice and he can enjoy it regardless but your butthurt someone said maybe this guy reccomended the wrong monitor?

Thats why you keep typing your butthurt i said you didnt make the best reccomendation to him and you think because you got there first and he ordered no one then can or should post further lol. Yeah not how forums work buddy... But GL

I'm bored of you misinterpreting and/or trying to put words in my mouth especially when you're trying to call me "butthurt" because I don't feel you agree with my recommendation... You obviously aren't aware of the irony in that.

Anyway, can we please agree to disagree and enjoy what we have?

 

[Rofflay]

I'm bored of you misinterpreting and/or trying to put words in my mouth especially when you're trying to call me "butthurt" because I don't feel you agree with my recommendation... You obviously aren't aware of the irony in that.

Anyway, can we please agree to disagree and enjoy what we have?

I mean no harm i just like to argue my point a lot. I dont see the harm in a bit of hot forum debating at all but i dont want people getting off the pc and being annoyed so sorry if i did that to you.

 

[Nevakonaza]

Either way guys,regardless i do appreciate every suggestion and even in a hot debate i think its good to hear all sides

Mine "Should" arrive today,Although not seeing much movement since last night nor this morning on the tracker,Consider its suppose to be delivered today im optimistic as its still sitting in delivery depot,and has been for 2 days lol.

 

[Sparx]

You got the DHL tracking? You went for the S2721DGF as well didn't you?

I've got mine coming today, it just refreshed at 08:07 to show out for delivery. Usually around now it'll show it's scanned onto the van.

 

[trawetSluaP]

Some people reported theirs as delivered without any updates from the courier at all.