306 XSI

Enfield · 25 Jan 2006 at 17:29

GT3 said:
Neither would make the car a "deathtrap" IMO.

My 306 almost killed me so in my opinion it's a deathtrap. Mine was only a DTurbo which is a lot slower, can only imagine the faster XSi being worse.

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2006 at 17:31

Enfield said:
My 306 almost killed me so in my opinion it's a deathtrap.

Was it all the cars fault and not your lack of driving skill then?

Stonedofmoo · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:08

My housemates diesel turbo is perfectly safe, I would suggest something was wrong with yours to be honest...

Also the parkers figures said the XTDT could only do 0-60 in 12 seconds and I proved that wrong by recording a 0-60 in 9.98, so I would guess those figures above are also inaccurate and you would get a better 0-60 time.

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:20

To be honest Xsara VTR > 306 XSi - no hassle over which version is which, cheaper, more modern, more toys, same handling.

Nice 1.8 16v.

Firestar_3x · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:31

Shame about the looks!

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:32

Firestar_3x said:
Shame about the looks!

What whereas an old 306 is the Claudia Schiffer of the car world?

Enfield · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:33

[TW]Fox said:
Was it all the cars fault and not your lack of driving skill then?

Well yes, braking in a straight line gently then the back coming out is nothing to do with me.

Firestar_3x · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:35

[TW]Fox said:
What whereas an old 306 is the Claudia Schiffer of the car world?

Well no, but it has that boy racer charm (If you can call it that), and nice CS remark your far 2 awake!

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:35

Enfield said:
Well yes, braking in a straight line gently then the back coming out is nothing to do with me.

Every single day millions of people go about their daily basis without being killed by their 306. I suggest your issue was caused by your driving ability, or a fault, and not simply the design of the car.

I find it quite funny you think the 306 is a deathtrap but the 205 is wonderful given they've both got the same setup and the same tendancy for lift-off-oversteer in certain circumstances.

Enfield · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:39

[TW]Fox said:
Every single day millions of people go about their daily basis without being killed by their 306. I suggest your issue was caused by your driving ability, or a fault, and not simply the design of the car.

Clearly a fault with the car because the back shouldn't step out whilst braking gently in a straight line.

Also, I thought the problem with the backend stepping out was to do with the design of the car. :|

[TW]Fox said:
I find it quite funny you think the 306 is a deathtrap but the 205 is wonderful given they've both got the same setup and the same tendancy for lift-off-oversteer in certain circumstances.

I think you're forgetting that the 205 doesn't have power steering so it's much easier to correct because one can feel the road better.

This is where I went wrong with trying to correct myself in the 306 - I over-corrected.

moss · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:43

I drive a 106GTi and I have to push it fairly hard to make the back end step out, even when it does, ive always managed to catch it. I'd say its only ever kicked out without me trying to do it a couple of times, but even then I was pushing fairly hard so its expected.

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:44

Enfield said:
I blame this on have 3 different types of tyres each with different levels of tread and a rear offside wheel that looked like this

I blame your accident on your badly maintained car with a dangerous tyre setup, not the inherent design of the car.

Firestar_3x · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:49

In the end if the car was driven within its crippled capabilitys you would not have crashed, so fault is firmly placed with the operator not the vehical.

Enfield · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:49

[TW]Fox said:
I blame your accident on your badly maintained car with a dangerous tyre setup, not the inherent design of the car.

So do I. Which is why I said it a few days ago.

Stop trying to big yourself up by using me and my previous bad experiences.

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:51

Enfield said:
So do I. Which is why I said it a few days ago.

So why all this rubbish about 306's being dangerous and a deathtrap?

Stop trying to big yourself up by using me and my previous bad experiences.

I'm trying to stop you accusing a car of being badly designed simply becuase you couldn't be bothered to look after it.

Enfield · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:55

[TW]Fox said:
So why all this rubbish about 306's being dangerous and a deathtrap?

I'm trying to stop you accusing a car of being badly designed simply becuase you couldn't be bothered to look after it.

I couldn't afford to replace all 4 tyres so I replaced the front 2 only.

My opinion of the 306 isn't going to change, i think it's a death trap, end of.

The damage to the rear wheel was caused by a previous owner and I didn't notice it at the time of buying.

[TW]Fox · 25 Jan 2006 at 18:56

Enfield said:
My opinion of the 306 isn't going to change, i think it's a death trap, end of

Well you've already admitted the accident was caused by the poor condition of your car, so why is the 306 on the whole a deathtrap?

And why is the 205, with the same setup, not?

Enfield · 25 Jan 2006 at 19:01

[TW]Fox said:
Well you've already admitted the accident was caused by the poor condition of your car, so why is the 306 on the whole a deathtrap?

And why is the 205, with the same setup, not?

Because when you come off the throttle the back end steps out. Let me remind you that the 306 was my first car and when you're learning they don't teach you how to recover from it. Maybe it's not a death trap for you because you think you know everything there is to know.

Like I said, the 205 doesn't have power steering and it's easier to control.

Maybe when something unpredictable happens with your car you'll understand.

moss · 25 Jan 2006 at 19:04

Enfield said:
Like I said, the 205 doesn't have power steering and it's easier to control.

Maybe when something unpredictable happens with your car you'll understand.

My car has PAS and its easy enough to control, even when something unpredictable happens. I understand a non PAS car may have more 'feel' but I dont think it would help when something happens, you still get some feedback through PAS.

Enfield · 25 Jan 2006 at 19:05

moss said:
My car has PAS and its easy enough to control, even when something unpredictable happens. I understand a non PAS car may have more 'feel' but I dont think it would help when something happens, you still get some feedback through PAS.

I strongly disagree.