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30xx Series Founders Edition

Robert896r1 said:
Really impressed with the FE cooler on my 3090. That's gotta put some pressure on AIB given that the cooler is this good at 1,399 and cards are sold at msrp.
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It has from videos I have seen, more so on the 3080. Hitting both the MSRP and with such a good cooler is getting into territory that margins are quiet hard on the AIB partners. Seem partly Nvidia and AMD reference is making a very small margin on these if anything with the marketing ability to say they have a card at MSRP worth it.

But yeah, ideal for us end users, loving my 3090FE and they overclock like a champ also, day to day overclock profile of 2.1 Ghz + on core with an undervolt (compared to stock), absolutely loving it. Even my prior 2 3090FEs and 1 3080Fe overclocked pretty well and cooler is phenomenal. I imagine there must be some discussion with AIBs to somewhat limit sales of these as if they flooded the market with FE models, would imagine little incentive for most to get anything else at MSRP.
 
Cooper said:
Hope not, because I'm pretty sure that market manipulation like that is illegal.
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Maby I worded it wrong but Nvidia can certainly highlight these are low run / limited models. You can also expect AIB partners are also asking for confirmation they are getting decent allocation of chips. Nothing illegal about that.

If as hardware unboxed stated in there video speaking to AIBs, some of the SKUs for AIBs have very tight margins on there lower end models. I can fully imagine AIB partners would not be to enthused if these FE models flooded the market at MSRP. Would render there lower end models and even higher end ones which outprice the FE models unsellable for most the part.
 
Cooper said:
Hope not, because I'm pretty sure that market manipulation like that is illegal.
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Don't think so. If Nvidia churned out FE cards and undercut AIBs then the AIBs would be screwed. The FE cards seem mainly aimed at getting initial reviews at a favourable price point that AIBs can't hit themselves.
 
Let’s be clear the FE is effectively sold at a loss if you assume an arms length transaction between Nvidia’s business units e.g. nvidia has to pay the same price as the AiB partner.

There is no chance an AIB can make an FE card and still make money.

They are an obvious loss leader to set a lower msrp for review and marketing purposes. The vast majority of people pay significantly more.


Minstadave said:
Don't think so. If Nvidia churned out FE cards and undercut AIBs then the AIBs would be screwed. The FE cards seem mainly aimed at getting initial reviews at a favourable price point that AIBs can't hit themselves.
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This.

It’s like Tesla’s fabled $35k model 3, yes they made it but they only made a few thousand of them and the rest were considerably more. That didn’t stop them marketing the hell out of it even though you couldn’t buy one.
 
I'm more worried that they're withholding or limiting 3080s temporarily to scoop up all the 3090 sales from people who have the cash for them. Although you'd think by now most people who can would have caved.
 
A2B said:
I'm more worried that they're withholding or limiting 3080s temporarily to scoop up all the 3090 sales from people who have the cash for them. Although you'd think by now most people who can would have caved.
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3090 stocks exist longer because they are arguably the worst value card Nvidia have ever made. Has there been a card before it that was so close to the next lower tier in performance yet so far in terms of price? For FE models it's literally more than twice the price for around 5fps at 4k and an additional 15GB of Vram that doesn't get used.
 
OK tomorrow, all or nothing, else I will open my 3070FE and finally fire up my new PC which has been built but untested since last week (of course knowing my luck they then drop it on Friday).
 
Dirk Diggler said:
3090 stocks exist longer because they are arguably the worst value card Nvidia have ever made. Has there been a card before it that was so close to the next lower tier in performance yet so far in terms of price? For FE models it's literally more than twice the price for around 5fps at 4k and an additional 15GB of Vram that doesn't get used.
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Yeah it's really a workstation card where the extra VRAM can help a lot. The premium is crazy for gaming alone, unless of course you can afford the best of the best.
 
A2B said:
I'm more worried that they're withholding or limiting 3080s temporarily to scoop up all the 3090 sales from people who have the cash for them. Although you'd think by now most people who can would have caved.
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I think what has happened is there are not enough defective cores to go into the 3080, so rather then sell it as a 3080, makes sense as until now 3090 have been selling given both are GA102. As you say however most who are willing to spend for a 3090 already have looking at backlogs and 3090's being more readily available so is likely going to slow down. However I do not think this will change anything massively for the 3080 supply. Nvidia I imagine is now thinking rather then put those cores which could make the cut for a 3090, rather the cutting them and turn them into a 3080 purposely, prepare them for the 3080Ti.

What could increase 3080 supply maby, is if Nvidia have been holding back middle of the road dies. So those chips which cannot make the cut for the 3090, but more complete then the 3080 while they have been dialing in the specifications for the 3080Ti. If they settled on similar core as the 3090, then they can release the chips that cannot make 3090 or 3080Ti cut into the 3080. But just some of my musings and may be totally off kilter.
 
It seems unlikely that most/all the current 3090 chips are high quality. Not that I have a big insight into silicon manufacturing, but you would expect a range of silicon quality as usual. Seems more likely that Nvidia saw that many people are willing to pay way over the odds right now (wanting to get sorted by Xmas), and are milking it. I assume most people aiming for 3070's will not jump to a 3090, but 3080 eyes might/have.

Bit cynical perhaps, but they're a business so ... of course happy to be wrong :).
 
A2B said:
It seems unlikely that most/all the current 3090 chips are high quality. Not that I have a big insight into silicon manufacturing, but you would expect a range of silicon quality as usual. Seems more likely that Nvidia saw that many people are willing to pay way over the odds right now (wanting to get sorted by Xmas), and are milking it. I assume most people aiming for 3070's will not jump to a 3090, but 3080 eyes might/have.

Bit cynical perhaps, but they're a business so ... of course happy to be wrong :).
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Of course there milking it, but if the chip is complete enough to produce a 3090 then you sell it as a 3090 to milk people as you put it, even if the chip sucks at overclocking its still a 3090 they can sell then need to shave it into a 3090. Its why for the 3090 and 3080 there is 3 bins of chips apparently: https://www.igorslab.de/en/chip-is-...-dispersal-at-the-force-rtx-3080-andrtx-3090/

Its why I think people are also getting favourable results for undervolting, Nvidia has cranked up the voltage to account for the duff chips in stock voltage curve, but you can see some impressive results if you undervolt for example.
 
Sure, but it all depends what their aim is. If they want a 'normal' launch (with all 3 models represented) they can opt to put 3090 quality chips in 3080s just to have them available. But I don't think that's what we're seeing here, at least not yet. Good link btw.

Of course all that could be wrong and it just worked out like this, with not enough time to do anything about it in the short term (manufacturing lag etc). Who knows :).
 
There are probably a whole heap of 3090’s still sitting in containers at one of our backlogged ports.
 
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