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- Thread starter Dirk Diggler
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Ah ok fair enough! TBH I’m just happy to be receiving a card tomorrow!
It sucks but why wouldn't you if you're basically getting a free £500? Until they sort out the stock situation and cards are actually available at close to msrp then we'll have to put up with this.
True - but there are loads on there now for stupid prices and I don't think they are being snapped up!
I managed to bag an FE yesterday - wouldn't have been my first choice of card (Asus Strix) but the fact that I got it £300 cheaper than that card and that I am not an avid overclocker makes me think this card will do me fine.
Tbh given the options available I don't think this came as a surprise at all
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It'll be fine. It'd have been £300 down the pan imo.
Ethics.
Although I'm grateful that having a clear conscience is of more value to me than £500.
Don't take this the wrong way, but ethics has nothing to do with it. We are talking about a luxury item in high demand with limited supply. It's basic economics to see that the cost to purchase will rise and is quite literally the basis for all capitalism in history. Just because it's a product you want doesn't make it unethical, its business, albeit morally questionable.
Now if we were talking about, say for example, insulin shots for diabetics whose price has been artificially raised to turn a higher profit; that would constitute as unethical. You could literally be killing someone by making their treatment unaffordable. No one is going to die from a lack of a graphics card in their PC.
Better them than the big forest place. At least the retail partner they chose is (as far as I know) only shipping to UK/Ireland. That may have even been what clinched it, as Best Buy (the US FE partner) won't ship outside of the US or to parcel forwarders.
I would tend to agree. No one is forcing anyone to buy these cards. The situation sucks but at the same time you're going to have to have a pretty strong will to pass up ~£500 profit if you don't need the card (no one needs it).Don't take this the wrong way, but ethics has nothing to do with it. We are talking about a luxury item in high demand with limited supply. It's basic economics to see that the cost to purchase will rise and is quite literally the basis for all capitalism in history. Just because it's a product you want doesn't make it unethical, its business, albeit morally questionable.
Now if we were talking about, say for example, insulin shots for diabetics whose price has been artificially raised to turn a higher profit; that would constitute as unethical. You could literally be killing someone by making their treatment unaffordable. No one is going to die from a lack of a graphics card in their PC.
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For the resolutions that these cards are designed for, you'd never see/feel the difference when gaming. Top end cards are for those that like to 'play' benchmarks and like to get every last bit of performance out to get the highest score. FE's OC fine but wont break any records. FE one looks better than AIB's at the moment and for the cost of an AIO (I always slap one on an FE card) would still leave you in pocket compared to the costs of some of these AIB cards.
Ebay scalpers - just don't buy em. I was up for a 3090 but am now waiting for 3080's to become more available, the 3080ti/super or may even go back to red if they are somewhere in the 3080 ball park performance wise.
Enjoy your card.
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Well, I nearly did speculate that. You know deffo?
I've been waiting for my 3080 since release which I purchased from a different retailer. I got my order in within 10 minutes and I'm still waiting. I'll have to keep an eye on the Nvidia website and see if I can grab one on the off chance and then cancel my other order. Knowing my luck I'll never time it right haha. How did you lot know they were listed again yesterday?
Something 'morally questionable' is by definition unethical. Obviously not to the same degree as your other example.Don't take this the wrong way, but ethics has nothing to do with it. We are talking about a luxury item in high demand with limited supply. It's basic economics to see that the cost to purchase will rise and is quite literally the basis for all capitalism in history. Just because it's a product you want doesn't make it unethical, its business, albeit morally questionable.
Now if we were talking about, say for example, insulin shots for diabetics whose price has been artificially raised to turn a higher profit; that would constitute as unethical. You could literally be killing someone by making their treatment unaffordable. No one is going to die from a lack of a graphics card in their PC.
Do the people profiteering from this situation need £500? I'd bet the same amount that the answer is overwhelmingly 'no'.
Ethics is subjective. It's the reason that *I* wouldn't take advantage of a situation like this. Some people are clearly putting considerable effort into getting hold of FE cards (or getting very lucky). I'd only be doing that if I really wanted one.
I thought scalping was illegal in the uk. Maybe I'm wrong?
There are specific laws regarding reselling football tickets. It's also apparently an offence to use a bot to bulk-buy event tickets, but not to resell them.
Am not sure you could define 'scalping' in any way that was legally enforceable. As others have said, it's not that far removed from regular business practices.
Not that I particularly want to get into semantics, but I've always worked on the basis that morality is a personal affliction, whereas ethics are more community and business related. What you believe are your morals, which may or may not align with the business or community behaviour, who will be following a code of ethics.
Either way I don't disagree with you, I don't like to see people take advantage to make a quick buck and wouldn't do so myself because I'm not that way inclined. But I can certainly see why it happens.