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Mason- said:
roulette is easy to cheat. There is a way to win your initial bet "x" everytime, as long as you have quite a few multiples of x.

Bet x on red or black, it doesn't matter.

if you win. great, if you lose bet 2x on the same colour.

if you win, you've lost 1x, initially. you've bet 2x, received 4x, and so are 1x up.

if you lose, bet 4x on the same colour... and repeat till you win.

when you win change colour.
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That's not a cheat. It doesn't always win. The odds are in the casinos favour. Lots of people with limited mental reasoning ability try that and lots of people lose lots of money.

If you get a string of losses then how much money are you prepared to stake? Let's say you start off with £500 and you lose the first bet.

£1000, £2000, £4000, £8000, £16000, £32,000, £64,000, £128,000, £256,000, £512,000, £1,024,000. Got that kind of money in the bank? You know that casinos have a limit on the size of a single bet?

The odds are in the favour of the casino. The reason why is the 0 (and sometimes 00) on the wheel.

Every time someone places a bet on roulette the house makes 1/33 of the bet. It does average out over time, it doesn't matter about individual wins or losses unless you can predict the outcome. Claiming you can predict the outcome by saying it'll eventually go red is nonsense.
 
Mason- said:
roulette is easy to cheat. There is a way to win your initial bet "x" everytime, as long as you have quite a few multiples of x.

Bet x on red or black, it doesn't matter.

if you win. great, if you lose bet 2x on the same colour.

if you win, you've lost 1x, initially. you've bet 2x, received 4x, and so are 1x up.

if you lose, bet 4x on the same colour... and repeat till you win.

when you win change colour.
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why the same colour? why not change the colour? it makes no difference.

the only difference is how far your bank roll will go, and how far the table max will take you.
 
Mason- said:
roulette is easy to cheat. There is a way to win your initial bet "x" everytime, as long as you have quite a few multiples of x.

Bet x on red or black, it doesn't matter.

if you win. great, if you lose bet 2x on the same colour.

if you win, you've lost 1x, initially. you've bet 2x, received 4x, and so are 1x up.

if you lose, bet 4x on the same colour... and repeat till you win.

when you win change colour.
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Are you serious?

To (hopefully) clear up confusion:


Independent Events

Two events are independent if the occurrence of one of the events gives us no information about whether or not the other event will occur; that is, the events have no influence on each other.
In probability theory we say that two events, A and B, are independent if the probability that they both occur is equal to the product of the probabilities of the two individual events, i.e.

In this case, one spin of the roulette wheel does not alter the outcome of the next. It is always 35/1.
 
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That's part of the fallacy, there's more to it though Bob Fleming (sorry, been watching fast show).

If you can continue for an infinite amount of time doubling your bet each time then you will eventually win. However that doesn't work in practice because doubling up quickly gets outside of anybodies bank balance and hits the table limit too.
 
The Halk said:
That's part of the fallacy, there's more to it though Bob Fleming (sorry, been watching fast show).

If you can continue for an infinite amount of time doubling your bet each time then you will eventually win. However that doesn't work in practice because doubling up quickly gets outside of anybodies bank balance and hits the table limit too.
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Yes exactly, so it doesn't work. Casinos are clued in. You'll always lose on roulette over time. Variance comes into it and the house odds catch up with you.
 
I had a mate who thought he had a system. In fact he just covered half the board with chips.

or 50:50 ignoring the 0

It would have been easier to play black/red

He also had the idea of doubling up on losses. Can't lose he said.....lol
 
TFleming said:
Yes exactly, so it doesn't work. Casinos are clued in. You'll always lose on roulette over time. Variance comes into it and the house odds catch up with you.
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Well.. the odds actually are surprising.

The vast majority of people _can_ win by doing it. If you look at the probabilities and you start with something moderate, £100, and you are prepared for 7 losses in a row... Then your chances of losing are very small indeed.

The casino still wins though because while virtually everybody wins... one guy loses BIG and it more than offsets all the wins.

Essentially you're placing a bet like for example Man Utd beating a non league team in a freak cup tie. The payback you get is very small compared to the amount you risk.
 
Personaly, I fail to see the attraction in any form of gambling.

I just can't understand why people can actively give up their money on the understanding that they are more than likely not to get anything in return.

Funnily enough, people think I'm a bit odd - becuase I don't really get any enjoyment from doing the Lotto, scratch cards - betting shops, cards at work etc - even the Grand National. I just don't take part if I can help it - and when I do - I just see it as having a bet for a laugh.... and if I do win I have no intention of betting again.

Both my parents gambled for most of their lives (60 odd years each) - you could say petty gambling was their only vice - as neither drank or smoked..... but again, neither had any substantial wins - and if I was to total up what they "gave" to the various gambling methods they got their happyness from - it would probably come to well over £200,000. In a way it is a relatively harmless passtime for them as at no point did they ever lose control of their gambling..... it just seems like a total waste of money to me.

And as for systems to win....... Seriously !
 
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5punk3monk3y said:
As you and 99% of the worlds population would if you saw the same pattern. We are sheep face it I would bet the same if I noticed a similar pattern as would the ten people beside me on the same table.
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if they were stupid.

If you already know there isn't a pattern as the game is random then you'd have to be pretty stupid to start trying to bet based on something that looked like one.
 
The Halk said:
Well.. the odds actually are surprising.

The vast majority of people _can_ win by doing it. If you look at the probabilities and you start with something moderate, £100, and you are prepared for 7 losses in a row... Then your chances of losing are very small indeed.

The casino still wins though because while virtually everybody wins... one guy loses BIG and it more than offsets all the wins.
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not just one guy... pretty much anyone... if they keep on playing

the vast majority of people can win by doing it if they decide to only pay roulette once in their life and the first time they win they walk away and never play the game again... in which case just under half would walk away after 1 spin with say £1 profit... another load will have risked much more than that to eventually win £1 and a small number will have lost their entire bankroll chasing that £1 win...

the reality is that very few people will walk into a casino and just play one game (which will be the only game they ever play in their life) - you can essentially consider every game they play in their life a continuation of the same game (makes no difference if they place another bet on the next spin or on their next visit to the casino) - pretty much anyone playing this 'system' will simply experience lots of small wins accompanied by lots of much larger losses - virtually no one will 'win' - the vast majority of people will lose.
 
Heliospherez said:
I just can't understand why people can actively give up their money on the understanding that they are more than likely not to get anything in return.
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some people don't understand that they that they're not likely to win (in the long run), others are aware but will gamble as a bit of fun - making a sporting event more exciting to watch as the outcome can affect you personally or perhaps a night out at a casino etc... as long as its not getting out of control or they're not wasting huge sums such as your parents then I don't see the issue.
Also, with some forms of gambling, some people are able to win and some might even make a living from it.
 
dowie said:
if they were stupid.

If you already know there isn't a pattern as the game is random then you'd have to be pretty stupid to start trying to bet based on something that looked like one.
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So by your logic, anyone who doesn't throw chips in a completely random way on a table is stupid? Just because the game is random doesn't mean people HAVE to bet completely randomly as well. You can bet however you want to. If someone wants to follow a pattern they've seen in the previous numbers doesn't make them stupid, after all, the odds are still the same, aren't they?
 
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asim18 said:
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So by your logic, anyone who doesn't throw chips in a completely random way on a table is stupid? Just because the game is random doesn't mean people HAVE to bet completely randomly as well. You can bet however you want to. If someone wants to follow a pattern they've seen in the previous numbers doesn't make them stupid, after all, the odds are still the same, aren't they?
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the best stratergy for roulete is the one that loses you the least amount of money ;)
 
TFleming said:
:confused: :confused:

Are you serious?

To (hopefully) clear up confusion:


Independent Events

Two events are independent if the occurrence of one of the events gives us no information about whether or not the other event will occur; that is, the events have no influence on each other.
In probability theory we say that two events, A and B, are independent if the probability that they both occur is equal to the product of the probabilities of the two individual events, i.e.
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I understand this, I didn't say this was a good way of winning money, I said you can cheat it, if you have enough money you can do this indefinitely (if they don't have a betting limit).

To be safe you'd have to start off with a small bet, so that when you eventually win and you win your initial "x" bet you would be up but not by much. And they are independent Events yes.
 
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I've never been to the site so I can't help you directly. All I'd say is that the big issue seems to be that you need to bet the money through lots and lots of times.. have you done that yet?
 
Never mind i sorted it, i was being a noob.

Now it's just a waiting game to see if this is legit or not. :P
 
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mehuk said:
£32 quid free when signing up for 32 Red casino... now whats so good about that I hear you ask...
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I won a couple of hundred quid on 32 red a few weeks ago. Free sign up bonus, up to ~£60 on black jack then on to slots. I was using the Egyptian themed one, river Nile or something I think. Minimum bet across all the rows and just keep chugging till you've played your stake through. I was up to £700(!!) at one point, but had to keep going as I hadn't played my stake and couldn't withdraw yet :(

If you can trust yourself and have a bit of free time then why not eh..?
 
I lost it all quite quickly on roulette :o

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Fixed i tell ye!
 
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