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[subbytna]

You try it continously and see how you get on, you will hit losses more often. Playing it hit and run twice in one day, I personally see good returns. It's about how you deal with a loss and not lose your head. Knowing you'll win more than you will lose by only playing once then logging out, you'd be so unlucky to hit that 1 out of 81 loss on a regular basis. Roulette can't be beaten every single time...but it can be beaten in the long run. It's an ultra marathon, not a sprint.

I've put up what I've experienced, if others wants the link to the site where I get my methods then I'll send it to them in trust. Just let me know. I'm done with this thread now as I've put up my method and kept my side of the bargain. If you don't play it then fine if you do then good luck The fact I've taken out more than my initial bankroll means I've won as I've got my money back plus some. This is the casinos money I'm playing with

 

[dowie]

You try it continously and see how you get on, you will hit losses more often. Playing it hit and run twice in one day, I personally see good returns. It's about how you deal with a loss and not lose your head. Knowing you'll win more than you will lose by only playing once then logging out, you'd be so unlucky to hit that 1 out of 81 loss on a regular basis. Roulette can't be beaten every single time...but it can be beaten in the long run. It's an ultra marathon, not a sprint.

But you've not beaten it in the long run... you've got lucky in the short term.

 

[subbytna]

7 months and over £700 quid later isn't bad going. It's not my money any more so I'm seeing how long I can keep it going. I have other methods and different bankrolls for them too.

 

[Lima]

That system makes absolutely no sense whatsoever......

PLEASE EXPLAIN HOW THE HELL IS THAT SYSTEM IS GIVING YOU 80-1 ON YOUR MONEY??!??!?!?!?!

 

[subbytna]

No it gives you 80-1 chance of winning 1 unit (in my case £5 is one unit) with the 4 bet sequence

the chances of the same "line" 2c3a or whatever your first line is in the matrix....the chances of it repeating are 3x3x3x3=81 so you have a 1 in 81 chance of it losing and 80 in 80 chance of winning over the 4 bets.

 

[dowie]

So how are you overcoming the fact that regardless of the way you structure your wagers each one still has a negative expected value?

(answer - you're not, you don't appear to even understand the concept of a bet being -EV or really know much about gambling at all)

 

[subbytna]

Dowie I don't know what your issue is. I have a system that's working for me, I've shared it with you and told you, if you want to, to try it on sky channel 869 just to see what you think and it's all hostile coming back from you. I'm not betting even values I'm betting dozens/columns 2-1.

You keep doing what you want to do and I'll do the same here...If you were to try it you might see it has potential but I don't think you will try it out. Until you've tested it yourself you can't say it's good or bad. I've tested it over 5000 real wheel spins using supplied data by the person who designed the system and it's worked out a +700 unit profit - 14 months worth of spins. For something so "short term lucky" in your opinion...over a year turning a 3.5k profit doesn't seem so lucky imo

 

[mp3duck]

Looking at what has happened previously DOES NOT affect future bets.
It has ABSOLUTELY NO RELEVANCE.

As I said before, I have created computer models that prove these systems don't work (using real randomness before anyone asks).

It's great that you are winning right now, but you have just been lucky.
Who's to say that you will now go on a really bad losing streak.

I'd say, take the £600 you have made out, and go buy a nice upgrade to your PC!

 

[The Halk]

The two issues are this...

1) You are misleading people into thinking there is something that can be done to make a profit from roulette. That cannot be done. It's impossible. I don't think anyone spontaneously goes and tries schemes and loses money at a casino, I think they see the few people making false claims and think there must be something in it.

2) You're setting yourself up for a fall too, it's great you've won some money, and I hope you don't go and lose it. But every single bet you can possibly place is weighted against you. All you can do is be lucky.

 

[subbytna]

1) You are misleading people into thinking there is something that can be done to make a profit from roulette.

I'm not misleading anyone I've not told them to go spend money. I've suggested they can test it out first to see how they get on. You will lose with this bet as it's not a 100% strikerate, it's HOW you deal with that loss and manage your bankroll that is the key.

With proper money management you can limit your losses and the wins you have DO , imo, outweigh losses to turn a gradual profit.

Key point here is that I'm asking the wheel/croupier to spin the same sequence of 4 numbers at a specific time and 80 times out of 81 they can't and I win 1 unit. I'll report back in a couple of months to give an update. Maybe I'll have hit a bad run and lost it, more likely(IMO) I'll still be grinding out units here and there to keep my profit going.

There is no harm in testing this out using 100 pretend units on a bit of paper. As long as it's not a random number generator game you're playing. You may be surprised at how good a strike rate this has. An 80 out of 81 strikerate is really good and the best I've seen thus far.

 

[Haggisman]

It simply works, you will land between losing games more often than you land ON THEM. that's the plain fact.

What in the actual?!

Oh yeah, and using the example you've given above.

You've got 8 losses:

8x L(26 units) = 208 units lost

and 43 wins, meaning you'd need to be winning an average of 5 units per win just to break even, so either the example you've given is a load of rubbish, or you're forgetting to take into account the money you've lost when you're talking about "profit". The example you've given also doesn't show the odds of 80 to 1 you've been claiming.

You try it continously and see how you get on, you will hit losses more often. Playing it hit and run twice in one day, I personally see good returns. It's about how you deal with a loss and not lose your head. Knowing you'll win more than you will lose by only playing once then logging out, you'd be so unlucky to hit that 1 out of 81 loss on a regular basis.

So what's the difference between playing hit and run twice a day and 100 times a day?

 

[mp3duck]

I also don't understand why computerised random numbers would be any different to a "real" roulette spin?

If your seed is correct, you can get real randomness from a computer.
A correctly set-up, and maintained roulette wheel should have no bias, and will be totally random.

 

[subbytna]

What in the actual?!

Oh yeah, and using the example you've given above.

You've got 8 losses:

8x L(26 units) = 208 units lost

and 43 wins, meaning you'd need to be winning an average of 5 units per win just to break even, so either the example you've given is a load of rubbish, or you're forgetting to take into account the money you've lost when you're talking about "profit". The example you've given also doesn't show the odds of 80 to 1 you've been claiming.

That list of wins and losses is an example of what results you would have got if you had played continously. It's not my results playing hit and run.

For each win/loss shown in that line of results it's actually 4 spun numbers followed by 4 spun numbers one after another. I record 12 spins, code them into dozens and columns and then bet that the 13th number spun onwards is different from the first line.

You can see that playing continously would kill your bankroll with those losses. But inbetween my plays Morning and evening, you're talking about 10 hours of spins so the pattern of wins and losses would be different every time and if I'm jumping in for only one game I generally win more than I lose hence a profit growing.

 

[Haggisman]

You can see that playing continously would kill your bankroll with those losses. But inbetween my plays Morning and evening, you're talking about 10 hours of spins so the pattern of wins and losses would be different every time and if I'm jumping in for only one game I generally win more than I lose hence a profit growing.

It doesn't matter if there are 10 hours of spins in between, or 10 seconds of spins in between. The spins in between have absolutely zero effect on the spins that you happen to play on.

But I can see that you've convinced yourself otherwise, so I'll leave you to it, and I hope it doesn't bite you too hard when your luck runs out.

Just do other people a favour and don't go fooling them into thinking that this system actually works.

 

[dowie]

Dowie I don't know what your issue is. I have a system that's working for me, I've shared it with you and told you, if you want to, to try it on sky channel 869 just to see what you think and it's all hostile coming back from you. I'm not betting even values I'm betting dozens/columns 2-1.

The issue is that you're wrong and you're spreading mis-information that could, if unchallenged and followed by others, cause others a financial loss - its both reckless and incredibly stupid.

You keep doing what you want to do and I'll do the same here...If you were to try it you might see it has potential but I don't think you will try it out. Until you've tested it yourself you can't say it's good or bad.

Yes you can.

I've tested it over 5000 real wheel spins using supplied data by the person who designed the system and it's worked out a +700 unit profit - 14 months worth of spins. For something so "short term lucky" in your opinion...over a year turning a 3.5k profit doesn't seem so lucky imo

You're either lying, not recording your results properly, using bad data(supplied by the same person who designed the system? lol)or have got very lucky...

Its not an opinion really its fact, if you're not completely incompetent or full of **** then you have simply been lucky.

There are two very obvious points that you've failed to counter because you've either ignored them or don't understand them.

Firstly the game has no memory - each individual spin in roulette is independent of the next spin (this even applies in the case of a biased wheel - for which you're about a century too late to realistically attempt to exploit)

Secondly without some electronic assistance a roulette wheel can safely be assumed to be random and any bet you place has a negative expected value.

The system itself is therefore -EV as you can place varying amounts of -EV bets in any order you like you'll still not get a +EV system. A system with a negative expected value is totally reliant on luck to generate winnings and will result in a loss in the long term.

Even if you're completely ignoring or failing to understand the implications of negative expected value bets and are falling for the same gamblers fallacy countless of people before you have been suckers to perhaps some common sense ought to tell you that lots of gamblers try theses progression systems and yet the house still wins in the end....

 

[subbytna]

The issue is that you're wrong and you're spreading mis-information that could, if unchallenged and followed by others, cause others a financial loss - its both reckless and incredibly stupid.

Nope at no point have I've never said to anyone "go and put your money in a casino". Try again....

I've merely gave out what I'm doing. Others here are adults and can make their own mind up if they want to do it.

If it makes you feel any better....

**everyone in the world....don't try this with your own money**

happy now?