360 games unplayable after being in 360!

thedoc46 said:
i think the 360 will go down in history as the most unreliable console ever produced.. 10fold !

what a joke...

Well said man, Im onto my second 360 - some people are onto their 6th...

My original Xbox was flawless, never had a SINGLE problem with it. & apparently its the board bending with the heat inside of the console, the cpu comes loose giving the 3 red lights. All microsoft have done to combat this with the elite is attached some glue to each corner of the cpu to stop it from coming loose... not very encouraging

& Personally it sickens me about the amount of hardware that goes to waste when one of these cpu's comes loose
 
Jihad said:
Warranty?

yeah and what happens when you warranty runs out after 12months and you are told to cough up for a repair cos of its design flaws?

Let me guess you probably couldn't care less eh?

and did you know microsoft only supplied 3 months warranty for all of it's US customers for the first yr of the 360. (changed now to 12months thank god!) Being that the US is it's biggest market and one in four die within the first 12months that pretty much sucks doesn't it.. No big deal either eh?
 
suarve said:
I'm sorry, if disc scratching wasn't isolated then people wouldn't bother buying the system at all. Your making out like its a fact that most 360 scratch discs - when they don't. It would be huge news if MS had released loads and loads of consoles that scrathed discs. Your in the minority, as MS continue to sell games and consoles.

And the refurns thing, I haven't heard of that. Why not just take it back to the original store and get a replacement. This is what i did and had a brand new console within a few mins (the fact the console failed was my fault, but thats another story ;) )
I'm sorry too, because you're wrong. You're saying that if disc scratching was widespread then it would stop people buying? So why then hasn't the infamous red ring of death stopped them? I don't know one 360 owner who hasn't heard about it or experienced it, It's a well known issue with the 360 and yet, people still buy the thing. Explain please :)

Yes well the returns thing, people simply were not aware of the sale of goods act. The problem is now, as my replacements have now come straight from MS and not the shop, they don't have to take it back. In future if i say, buy a Elite system and that goes, I'm sure as hell going to take it back to the shop indeed.
 
I love how it's deemed okay to have to replace a console every couple of months(Or longer)

I mean my god! Since when is that okay?

Graphics cards have offered in warranty replacements forever, But are you telling me you'd be happy to recieve 10 graphics cards through the post after each one pops?

Unfortunately Xbox 360 is the only way to play certain games, and those games are fantastic. Which is why people are letting them get away with it.

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As for Jihad

I couldn't really care less, it has the best games available, fantastic online service and plenty of great games coming out.

Obviously trying to push the PS3 comparison with that comment. This isnt a PS3 vs Xbox 360 debate, This is about console reliability.

Xbox 360 has none.

Who cares how good the games are, and the online, if you can't get on them?
 
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JBeck said:
I'm sorry too, because you're wrong. You're saying that if disc scratching was widespread then it would stop people buying? So why then hasn't the infamous red ring of death stopped them? I don't know one 360 owner who hasn't heard about it or experienced it, It's a well known issue with the 360 and yet, people still buy the thing. Explain please :)

Yes well the returns thing, people simply were not aware of the sale of goods act. The problem is now, as my replacements have now come straight from MS and not the shop, they don't have to take it back. In future if i say, buy a Elite system and that goes, I'm sure as hell going to take it back to the shop indeed.

I'm trying to say if it was a known fact that the 360 buggered up every disc that was put into it, people surely wouldn't buy it.

People still buy the thing because they are aware the 360 wouldn't even be on the shelf if every console had a problem. Its quite clear every console doesn't have the problem you are experiencing and are therefore over generalising :)
 
wannabedamned said:
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Who cares how good the games are, and the online, if you can't get on them?

Personally, every single game I have bought that has multiplayer, I have been able to play without any problems. Maybe i'm just the minority though ;)
 
I must be in the minority as my 360 has worked like a dream for over 14+ months :) No rings of death, no scratched disks.
 
wnb said:
I must be in the minority as my 360 has worked like a dream for over 14+ months :) No rings of death, no scratched disks.


then you are indeed a lucky man. can I trouble you for next weeks lottery numbers :D

Dont get me wrong, the 360 is a fantastic console with so many great games, but, I have treated mine very well in the 10 months iv had it, dust free cabinet, but with plenty of space and air around it. Always lay flat. And im on my 4th 360 :eek:

Either way you look at it, its just not good enough, to have one go once should be unlucky, twice should be a freak occurance, but these thing are busting all over the show, I have also got scratched discs when again I treat them with kid gloves. MS know they have got a problem on their hands and I just hope the newer ones are more reliable. In fairness to them though when my 3rd 360 blew last week, it was collected the same day, and a new one dropped off 4 or 5 days later, thats pretty good service I think.

It really is testiment to just how good the 360 and it games/live service is that so many people are puttin gup with so many problems.

I just wish they would scrap this crappy Elite thing and use this opportunity to give us a redesigned and reliable console.
 
wnb said:
I must be in the minority as my 360 has worked like a dream for over 14+ months :) No rings of death, no scratched disks.

Dont get too confident, mines lasted from launch day till last week.

It is a joke, the reliability issues that the 360 has. And it is even worse some people take the attitude who cares?
I do!!! Mines is out of warranty, so i either
1. Buy another console
2. Lose a years live sub + all the DLC i have purchased through the marketplace, go through and sell my Wireless adapter, play and charge kit and vision cam(at a substantial loss)
Yeah the 360 is great value for money! If i buy a core at 200 for 16 months worth of gaming i will have spent, 280 on my premium, 200 for a core and 2 x 40 for 2 years live. Giving me a grand total of £560!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Before any of my accessories!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So the next person who say the 360 is cheap and who cares if it is unreliable really need to get a grip.
Jihad i hope and prey yours goes pop right after your warranty has ran out and you have just renewed your live sub.
Cheap? yeah keep telling yourself that, more like cheap built.

/rant

anyway i only had 1 disc got scratched and that was a day or 2 after getting it. Was playing PGR3 and my GF titled the 360 (was vertical) about 1 inch to the side and crunch. Took it back and just said it was a knackered game. got a replacement straight away :)
 
suarve said:
I'm trying to say if it was a known fact that the 360 buggered up every disc that was put into it, people surely wouldn't buy it.

People still buy the thing because they are aware the 360 wouldn't even be on the shelf if every console had a problem. Its quite clear every console doesn't have the problem you are experiencing and are therefore over generalising :)
And how exactly was I 'over generalising'? When did I say EVERY disc? When did i say EVERY console has this problem? when you can answer all three questions I shall continue the discussion :)
 
Mr Men said:
No your in the majority :)

I disagree. I know only one other person that hasn't had their 360 brake down at some point. Its not a case of if but when unfortunately. Saying that I am still loving the 360 experience. :)
 
Hostile17 said:
I disagree. I know only one other person that hasn't had their 360 brake down at some point. Its not a case of if but when unfortunately. Saying that I am still loving the 360 experience. :)


quite frankly, thats just not true, again, as the discussion has happened with millions of other items for a long time. people come in the gfx forum with a dead sapphire card and talk non stop about how bad sapphire are, they did a search and could only find people with problems with sapphire cards and the killer, most important thing they ever say is " i can't find any people saying how good they are". to which the reply is "thats because people post on HELP forums when they HAVE PROBLEMS, not when their component is working fine".

people with working consoles do not have issues, and do not post threads saying," please help me, my console is fine " followed by a 10 page thread of desperate unhappy people saying "my console is fine, i don't know what to do".

i'll be fair, i haven't had mine long, but so what.

my personal feeling is most people(i said most) with more than 1 dead console are doing something wrong. dust free cabinet, what does that mean exactly, enclosed cabinet? in which case you would very likely have VERY high temps as anyone can tell putting their hand behind the console, its a freaking heat machine. another fair point is that if M$ are only sending out repaired and not garenteed to fail, but a higher failure rate then some people are going to get screwed. but thats life, EVERYTHING, every product on earth, nothing excluded, has failures. even nature with hundreds of millions of years of evolution screws up sometimes, thats life. whoever gets the failures will not be happy, but every single product you've ever bought which worked fine there was someone out there feeling the same way you do now about the 360.


i do think there is a design flaw with the xbox360, and thats just heat, and lack of decent airflow, the heatsink layout is awful, the gpu sink is insanely small, the two fans are too small and run too fast and too loud. so if somethings running hot anybody running it in a small space, cabinet or hot part of a room might be in trouble, but thats a similar thing to a lot of top end hardware. it wouldn't really have mattered if the console was 1-2cm taller, but that would mean bigger fans, more airflow less noise. loads of people run them verticle, thats fine, but look where most of the air comes in, you're killing airflow, and if you have the hard drive in that kills the other sides airflow.
 
drunkenmaster said:
my personal feeling is most people(i said most) with more than 1 dead console are doing something wrong. dust free cabinet, what does that mean exactly, enclosed cabinet? in which case you would very likely have VERY high temps as anyone can tell putting their hand behind the console, its a freaking heat machine. another fair point is that if M$ are only sending out repaired and not garenteed to fail, but a higher failure rate then some people are going to get screwed. but thats life, EVERYTHING, every product on earth, nothing excluded, has failures. even nature with hundreds of millions of years of evolution screws up sometimes, thats life. whoever gets the failures will not be happy, but every single product you've ever bought which worked fine there was someone out there feeling the same way you do now about the 360.


i do think there is a design flaw with the xbox360, and thats just heat, and lack of decent airflow, the heatsink layout is awful, the gpu sink is insanely small, the two fans are too small and run too fast and too loud. so if somethings running hot anybody running it in a small space, cabinet or hot part of a room might be in trouble, but thats a similar thing to a lot of top end hardware. it wouldn't really have mattered if the console was 1-2cm taller, but that would mean bigger fans, more airflow less noise. loads of people run them verticle, thats fine, but look where most of the air comes in, you're killing airflow, and if you have the hard drive in that kills the other sides airflow.
You say that most people are doing something wrong to have more than one dead console. You then contradict yourself by saying that it is poorly designed. Also, running vertically is actually better for running cooler. Heat rises, which it can't do very well when the 360 is horizontal, think about it... Test the theory if you like.
 
drunkenmaster said:
my personal feeling is most people(i said most) with more than 1 dead console are doing something wrong.

Ahhahahaha so i mistreated my console? even though it was in the same place i have a PS3, a PS2 and a Wii, also have a DVD player and a Sky+ box, none of which have died, and tbh i am not worried in the slightest about them dying neither.
It isn't like people who are having problems are people new to consoles. These are people who have had consoles for years, decades in come cases. And if the 360 is too fragile to be treated like every other console made, it is a poor design, simple as.
 
I got the three red rings a while back, not seen it ever since. It's a pretty sensitive console :confused: Apparently they didn't really fix this in the Elite SKU either, some guys bought it early and gutted the console, they found that the attempted changes at the problem were laughable - transistors being moved here and there, without any real meaning as to why.
 
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