360 or PS3? Cant decide...

Warbie said:
If there was any justice, HDDVD would win. Region free, cheaper, FAR better selection. Ok, that last bit is subjective, but I really fail to see how someone with any taste could prefer the Blu-ray lineup. Regardless of price, i'd like the format winner to be the one that provides the most quality entertainment.

I use both formats btw, so have no agenda here. I'm just extremely disappointed with Blu-ray while at the same time becoming even more impressed everytime a decent HDDVD release is announced.

The only problem with that is... blu-ray appears to be the more impressive technology - there are even been rumours of 200gb blu-ray disks a few years down the line... that's nothing to be sniffed at!

Am I wrong... or is HD DVD only at a measly 30GB per dual layer disk? Whereas currently blu-ray stands and 50GB per dual layer disk... more space = more things +/ better quality.

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In fact, I just had a little look into it & quad-layer blu-ray disks have already been demonstrated (100GB capacity)... while Ritek unveiled at CES a 'High Definition' optical disk which successfully ups the capacaity on both hd dvd and blu-ray media to ten layers.... giving blu-ray a 250gb capacity, while hd-dvd is stuck back at 150GB... a 100GB difference!

Also - the 200GB thing I was on about - turns out that it was TDK who announced a six-layer disk of 200GB (33GB per layer)... imagine TDK and Ritek working together... 10 layers @ 33gb/layer = 330GB per disk - over twice the capacity of an equivalent HD DVD.

Then there's the max bit-rate... blu-ray's is 53.95mbit/s whereas hddvd's is 36.55mb/s

As it stands at the moment... blu-ray is by far the superior technology - i for one hope it wins... but if it doesn't then it'll be an hd dvd player for me lol!



The ONLY benefit HD DVD has over blu-ray is that it's region-free.
 
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What games appeal to you? Buy the one which has the games you want. I really don't see what difference HDDVD and Bluray and all the rest of the crap make. Just get the console which appeals to you most. Its about the games at the end of the day, surely??

Paul
 
tastyweat said:
The ONLY benefit HD DVD has over blu-ray is that it's region-free.

Yet when viewed on a 1080p projector and decent 5.1 setup there's nothing between them. PQ and soundwise the formats are as close as it gets.

I'll continue to buy the decent 1080p movies that come out - which is why my HDDVD collection continues to grow while my Blu-ray pile stays tiny.

Jofujofu said:
Its about the games at the end of the day, surely??

Paul

Not for everyone - I wouldn't own a PS3 is 1080p/24 hadn't been introduced in a recent patch.
 
Warbie said:
Yet when viewed on a 1080p projector and decent 5.1 setup there's nothing between them. PQ and soundwise the formats are as close as it gets.

I'll continue to buy the decent 1080p movies that come out - which is why my HDDVD collection continues to grow while my Blu-ray pile stays tiny.



Not for everyone - I wouldn't own a PS3 is 1080p/24 hadn't been introduced in a recent patch.

Oh yeah - at the minute the picture quality should be practically identical... but blu-ray has a lot more potential and head-room to be able to increase the quality further.

As for sound quality - each uses slightly difference lossless audio standards (when using lossless of course) - but both are much of the same.

With the extra capacity and max read speed, blu-ray has the potential to be significantly higher quality than hd-dvd, but at the minute there's nothing between them.
 
"most" PS3 games are already on 360 and tend to be better and cheaper, if you get bored with 360 games(unlikely theres a lot of good ones out there now), then u wont like the pS3 any better as the few games unique to that system arent anything to write home about.

Also, There are a lot of good games for the 360 on the run up to xmas too(bioshock, Mass effect, halo 3, MOH airbourne and GTA4).

Games wise 360 all the way.
 
for the love of god people. we AREN'T living in the days of betamax and vhs where they are so radically different and the parts are huge and take up a lot of space in the box(less now but back years ago, open up a 20 year old player and everythings massive.

the ONLY difference between hd-dvd drives and bluray drives is the laser. i think one of the reasons for hd-dvd drive costs being lower is that, the reading laser is still red or whatever, and so the one laser can read everything dvd thats current. but blu ray uses a blue lasers and so needs more lasers. but the fact is, those lasers are in the £50-100 region at the moment because they are selling on a TINY scale comparatively. when 5 million lasers are made a year they can cost say £100 each. when they make 5 million a week, in 500 different factories, that all compete to sell at a lower price, and manufacturing quality increases so more work per batch, and they ship in bigger quantities and so on, cost comes down to £50 a laser, then £20, then £10 and then £5.

there won't be a winner, so theres no point arguing about it, in a year you'll be able to get a blu ray/hd-dvd combo drive that reads and writes both for £150, and in 3 years you'll be able to get one for £30.

there is one small reason that blu ray will be the most used at first and it WILL be the most popular.

go try buy a PC hd-dvd burner, then go try and buy a blu ray dvd burner, case closed.


as for resolution, you can argue all you want. but go take any game and play on a crt that can do any res fine without upscaling issues. now set your best looking game to entirely max quality, and res at 480p , then set the game to 1080p and tell me, on exactly the same size crt, that 1080p doesn't look a million times better. the only thing i don't get, is the massive industry push for high def screens, they didn't go with 768p, but 720p so every screen has to upscale 720p, madness. now despite the massive push, most really don't upscale standard def very well at all, some screens are freaking awful at it, and theres next to no high def content available. if they put in proper chips, or sky boxes/virgin boxes upscaled properly so they output at 720/1080 so a high def screen looks good all the time. its all madness i tell you, madness. the supposed best screens around are still £2000 plasma's with a 1024x768 res and i can't explain that either.

as for games, xbox 360 has the better line up, the ps3 will level out so get whatever you want. but as is the case for every console, after the first year/two pc versions of most games are released more and more often at the same time as consoles, and you'd expect a LOT of the big releases to hit the PC after a 6 months anyway. for me, consoles are only worth having for the first 2 years after launch, if that, then pc's get the better games. theres also been an incredibly obvious lull in 360 games for the last 2-3 months, and bar the darkness, theres no big releases for another 2 months really assuming most of the dates don't slip.
 
drunkenmaster said:
HD-DVD does actually use a Blue laser as well. or 405 nm (blue-violet laser) to be exact which is the same as Blu-Ray.

The format war is nothing to do with how big the actual product is, or even how easy it is to incorporate both technologies into a single player. You have to remember that the big retailers don't want to stock multiple formats and the film studios really don't want to release their products on multiple formats either. This just makes bad economic sense as it means they will have more waste, so IMO there will be a clear winner and the the other will be dropped. The same thing happened to DAT vs MiniDISC - although the reign of MD was short lived due to the growth of the MP3 player.
 
Good post drunkenmaster,

the only thing I'll add is that some LCDs do upscale well, Samsung R7 for one is excellent with older consoles and the Wii.
Just remember that manufacturers will milk us for everything they can, my advice is buy loads of cheap DVDs and an upscaling DVD player with HDMI cable for £50 take advantage of bargains, Blu-Ray and PS3 is just too little for too much money right now, sure its one of those things that are nice to have if you havent bought any gadgets or consoles in years and are bored then go for it, tinker with linux and all the other things it can do.

And the winner could still be regular DVD if the mass consumer decides to keep their money in their pockets. More low quality video is being watched than ever with youtube and ipods etc, my kids are on youtube they dont care less about quality, DVD is more than good enough for most families, and there will be something else around the corner fairly soon, memory and hard disks are cheaper than anyone would have thought, downloads speeds increasing.
 
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