360 or PS3? Cant decide...
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tastyweat said:Not as big as the jump from VHS to dvd... hmmm...
VHS = 320x240 = 76,800 pixels
DVD = 480p = 720x480 = 345,600 pixels
PS3 = 1080p = 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
DVD = 4.5 x the quality of vhs
1080P = 6 x the quality of dvd = 27 x the quality of vhs
current true hd is a bigger jump from dvd than dvd was from vhs.... simple as that
Im watching DVDs at 1368 x 768 and they cost me £4.99, Ice Age, Cars, Nemo etc look stunning.
Blu-ray isnt even x 2 as good for 4 times the money no thanks.
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You can now get a PS3 with 3 games and 2 controllers for £395! This is why you shouldn't buy anything at launch 
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tastyweat said:Not as big as the jump from VHS to dvd... hmmm...
VHS = 320x240 = 76,800 pixels
DVD = 480p = 720x480 = 345,600 pixels
PS3 = 1080p = 1920x1080 = 2,073,600 pixels
DVD = 4.5 x the quality of vhs
1080P = 6 x the quality of dvd = 27 x the quality of vhs
current true hd is a bigger jump from dvd than dvd was from vhs.... simple as that
In reality though, the jump to 1080p wasn't worth buying a PS3 and a 1080p TV for £1350. I don't enjoy 1080p any more than upscaled DVD.
DVDs were a bigger jump from VHS as you could have menus, special features, scene selection, audio options etc, which weren't possible on VHS.
simon50 said:You can now get a PS3 with 3 games and 2 controllers for £395! This is why you shouldn't buy anything at launch
Sony's misleading previews are why you shouldnt buy a Sony console on launch. Motorstorm is only half as good as it was supposed to be and now its bundled.
As for the others, I deeply regret not getting a Dreamcast on launch and Im happy at getting the 360 at launch, nearly 18 months quality gaming before its main rival came out, albeit the odd early dry spell.
The PS2 is looking good at £50 though
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SC04 said:
no dvd is still 480p = 720x480 = 345,600 pixels
You cannot magically appear new details by upconverting to 1368x768
upscaling is crap.
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SC04 said:
The Blu-Ray player isn't the only reason to buy a PS3 though. It's more like a great extra, for me anyway. Most people who buy it won't be buying it for a Blu-Ray player, they'll be buying it for the solid lineup of games it has coming this winter and next year. Also it was rumoured that the manufacturing costs for the Blue-Ray player on the PS3 have dropped significantly, so as other players get cheaper so will the PS3.
Also, why do people think that on the 1st August there will be a 360 price drop. Dropping the price before Halo 3 and GTA4 is silly. Those games will sell tons of 360s before they need to drop the price. There may be a price drop before Christmas but it won't be before Halo 3.
You could say most people who bought their 360 with GOW were all future Halo 3 owners but there are many consumers still waiting for a few more AAA titles to buy a next-gen system. The 1st August rumour wasn't even from a reliable site.
The way I see it, 360 is going to have an incredible year and it has a great lineup for games. I would buy one this year if they fix the consoles and put a shipment out of ones that wont red ring or scratch disks and hopefully aren't as loud.
Next year and beyond the PS3 is looking amazing, indie games like LittleBigPlanet is what I would call a truly next-gen game. Not to mention MGS4 and Final Fantasy which are probably my two all time favourite franchises. It depends what caters to your tastes, most people here are more likely to say 360 as they are also PC gamers and the 360 is closer to that market than the other consoles.
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SC04 said:
Corrected it for you...
Standalone HD-DVD players ouselling standalone Blu-Ray 3:1 in Europe and the prices dropping far faster than Blu-Ray ..
the HD-DVD HD-E1 can already be had for £199 at the big electronic retailers (I was in one this w'end and there was a huge HD-DVD promotion with banners everywhere, 3+ units on show with big TVs and deals with all the big TVs (except Sony). It was even £176 at OcUK (http://www.avforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=591285) (nice to see OcUK get a reference on price).
Imo investing into one movie format with the 'war' far from over (only Sony are shouting at how it is (and have been since January) is also a decision you need to think about.
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smcshaw said:
HD-DVD won't win. The more likely option would be that there will be players which do both in the future and those will suceed more. Even then Blu-Ray does not look like it will be beaten.
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I agree Blu-Ray is greatly outselling HD-DVD but
Toshiba just announced they've sold 500,000 players, far more Blu-Ray, and all are stand-alone for just playing movies. The PS3 movie attach rate is falling all the time, Including the PS3 there are about 4 million Blu-Ray players out there, so that's 8 times the number of HD-DVD players yet in a good month it's only selling 3 times the number of discs and this fact is being recognised by the studios.
For a failing format HD-DVD drives are increasing in sales, prices are coming down and a deluge of very cheap HD-DVD players are heading for the US for christmas.
The PS3 will soon be returning to $600 and the 360 could well see it's first price drop and coincided HD-DVD add on price drop. Toshiba have commited to including a HD-DVD in all their laptops next year (in 2004 that was 9.2m units) and they now control 10% of the LCD market and are offering deals to buy their cheap drives at purchase.
Sony are making a lot of noise that Blu-Ray has 'won' now because the longer this goes on the worse it looks for them and the more likely this will end in stalemate. Samsung, a stauch launch Blu-Ray supoorter has just released it's first dual format drive.
I'm not saying Blu-Ray is going the way of UMD it's just that the 'war' is really only just getting lively.
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The PS3 will not stay at $600. Once the shipment of the 60GB models at $500 sell out they will drop the price of the 80GB to $500 and introduce a 120GB or something larger. It's also rumoured that the Blu-Ray drive manufacturing costs have dropped significantly which allowed the price drop, it's really nothing to do with the hard drives as there is hardly any price difference in 20GB.
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Paranoid_Robot said:
Off topic but totally agree. HD DVD sales are including the 5 free disks you get when you buy a HD DVD drive in the US, BD has now also adopted this policy on all BD players (including the PS3). The US is the only place there seems to be a war as such as elsewhere BD is stomping all over HD DVD. Went into a music,dvd etc store on sat large selection of BD no HD DVDs, they had some a few weeks back now there stand has been taken over by BD. Universal are also getting pressure to release BD and go back on there HD DVD only policy. With Betamax it was still about for several years before it finally was phased out in the UK, the biggest clue was the videstores like Blockbusters stopped stocking Betamax and only had VHS.
If there was any justice, HDDVD would win. Region free, cheaper, FAR better selection. Ok, that last bit is subjective, but I really fail to see how someone with any taste could prefer the Blu-ray lineup. Regardless of price, i'd like the format winner to be the one that provides the most quality entertainment.
I use both formats btw, so have no agenda here. I'm just extremely disappointed with Blu-ray while at the same time becoming even more impressed everytime a decent HDDVD release is announced.
I use both formats btw, so have no agenda here. I'm just extremely disappointed with Blu-ray while at the same time becoming even more impressed everytime a decent HDDVD release is announced.
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Warbie said:
most releases are on both formats anyway??
Give me the far superior technology everytime. 50gb bd-rs will be excellent when there at dvdr cost.
They couldn't even fit a lossless soundtrack nor any extras on the king kong hd-dvd. That to me is a capacity issue blu-ray doesn't have.
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Paranoid_Robot said:
Where has this been announced? If they haven't dropped the price of the European PS3, just offered extra kit, why would you think they will offer more for the money and drop the price in the US?
As for HD-DVD and Blu-ray.. It's way too early to tell, the PS3 is bolstering the BR sales (Which are still tiny compared to DVD), but with HD-DVD standalones gathering momentum with their prices dropping all the time, it isn't going to be evident for quite some time yet where things are really heading..
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Far superior technology? I'd say watching the movies is about the same, sometimes one way, sometimes the other. Nothing in it.johnnyfive said:
Shame you need a sound set up worth thousands of pounds to utlise it, but it is a shame really that the lossless soundtrack wasn't on it (I don't know whether or not this is fact).johnnyfive said:
simon50 said:
That's subjective though.... I much prefer the increase in resolution.
And again - this discussion was about visual quality - nothing to do with the menus, special features, scene selection (which are in fact things I never use too! I only care about an increase in visual and audio clarity).