360 outsells every other console

fergie666 · 18 May 2006 at 07:37

McDaniel said:
i simply dont understand how the PS2 still sells?

probably due to it's huge games catalouge

dirtydog · 18 May 2006 at 07:47

McDaniel said:
i simply dont understand how the PS2 still sells? especially with the PS3 on the horizon, and a next gen console already out?

It isn't much of a mystery really is it? The console is much cheaper than the 360, its games are very much cheaper and there is a huge back catalogue of PS2 games with many excellent titles, including many PS2 exclusives.

Nismo · 18 May 2006 at 07:52

dirtydog said:
It isn't much of a mystery really is it? The console is much cheaper than the 360, its games are very much cheaper and there is a huge back catalogue of PS2 games with many excellent titles, including many PS2 exclusives.

You would think though, that pretty much everyone who wanted a PS2 would already have one. It only really leaves the very casual gamer, people who are getting replacement consoles, or kiddies who are getting their first PS2.

That is still a small market (I think), so the amazing thing is that it still manages to sell in the quantities that it does.

SteveOBHave · 18 May 2006 at 09:04

NokkonWud said:
I can't believe 205,000 people bought PS2's...

LOL I can't believe that in a country of 295.7 Mil people XBOX 360 only sold 295,000 consoles? Are they still having some supply issues?

- some interesting Stats:

WIKIPEDIA said:
Sales record
When the PlayStation 2 launched in Japan in March 2000, Sony sold 980,000 units over the opening weekend. [11]

When the PlayStation 2 launched in America on October 26, 2000, Sony sold 510,000 units within the first 24 hours making it an average of selling 5-6 consoles per second. With a price of $299.99 per console, Sony made gross sales of roughly $153,000,000. To this day, the PS2 holds the record for the most consoles sold in a single day as well as the record for most consoles sold in launch day in America. PS2's opening day console sales eclipsed the previous record of 225,000 made by the Sega Dreamcast in 1999.

The PlayStation 2 shipped 1.41 million units in its first four weeks on sale, and reached the 10 million unit mark in under 13 months. The 50 million point was hit on 15th January 2003, less than 3 years after launch.

The PlayStation 2 holds the record of fastest selling video game console ever; 100 million PlayStation 2 units were shipped in only five years and nine months, shattering the previous record of nine years and six months by the PlayStation.

I would be curious to know how many of the 100 Mil are sitting in a back room of a store or still on store shelves...

WIKIPEDIA said:
Sales data
Total number of Xbox 360s shipped:

Total: 3.2 million units (March 2006)
Quarterly Data
Q4 2005, 1.5 million units
Q1 2006, 1.7 million units [32]

Judging from the sales stats, they are selling every one that they ship...

WIKIPEDIA said:
Market share
Some critics were initially concerned that the Xbox would allow Microsoft to extend its dominance of the PC software market to consoles. However, as of February 2005, estimates show the Xbox's share of the worldwide console market is only moderately ahead of the Nintendo GameCube and far behind the PlayStation 2. According to company documents, Microsoft has shipped 22 million consoles to retailers worldwide at the end of FY 2005 [9]. Although ahead of the GameCube's 20.61 million [10], this was far behind the PlayStation 2's 100 million shipped [11].

The Xbox has enjoyed its greatest success in North America, where an estimated 13.5 million units have been sold and where it managed for a month to outsell the PS2[12]. In Europe, the Xbox's market share is currently ahead of the GameCube, but is still behind the PlayStation 2.

The Xbox has sold poorly in Japan mainly because Microsoft was unable to enlist enough local developers to cater to Japanese interests. The large size of the hardware itself did not endear itself to the size-sensitive Japanese consumers. It is estimated about 450,000 units have been sold in Japan [13].

Microsoft has invested billions of dollars into the Xbox internal documents and received back billions of dollars in sales. Overall though Xbox division has lost $4 billion from 2001 to 2005. [14] In particular, the Xbox hardware itself is a loss leader, since the console was sold at a loss even at its debut price. The losses deepened when sales of the Xbox increased and when the price was reduced successive times to compete with PlayStation 2 [15]. Microsoft predicted that it would not make a profit on the Xbox for at least three years. This prediction turned out to be correct; Microsoft Game Studios, Microsoft's game division in charge of Xbox development, had its first profitable quarter reported in January 2005, thanks largely to the success of Halo 2 [16]. Investor relations documents says that in the end of 2005 Microsoft lost more than 1 billion dollars [17]. The Xbox project never gave an annual profit to Microsoft according to these documents. In return for the money loss though the Xbox gained name recognition and a dedicated fan base.

I strongly suspect we are going to see quite an increase in M$ Market share...

I look forwards to being able to attach the PS3 stats at the end of this...

Pug · 18 May 2006 at 11:17

heh, if i was head of sony i wouldnt be too worried about rushing the PS3 out - they're still competitive in sales on the PS2!

And the stats comparing PS2s launch and Xbox 360s launch are actually pretty funny! Just goes to show how far MS has to go...

Worthy · 18 May 2006 at 12:25

I can't believe how many PS2's are still selling considering it's age.

ic1male · 18 May 2006 at 15:29

Worthy said:
I can't believe how many PS2's are still selling considering it's age.

Me neither. It's really incredible! Remember though that the Sony execs keep saying that their consoles have a rough lifespan of at least 10 years. PS2 still has 4 or 5 to go yet.

It will be interesting to see what happens in the future when I'm sure the Chinese market will pick up. With a population 4 times the size of America there are rich pickings to be made if you can sell your console there. Admittedly they are a very poor people but it's very slowly changing... Maybe a Chinese company will bounce on to the scene with their own console to usurp the main three.

G.O.A.T · 18 May 2006 at 17:45

Why is everyone slating the PS2! I am considering picking one up lol.

nolimit · 18 May 2006 at 17:51

Worthy said:
I can't believe how many PS2's are still selling considering it's age.

because it keeps breaking down.

FrankJH · 18 May 2006 at 18:59

Its phenomenal how many units a 5 year old console is still selling ( considering the more recent Xbox died a sales death a while ago)

Hopefully there will be a decent £ drop in this country soon

I still think PGR3 is very pretty and graphically advanced but for me is missing its soul in comparison to GT4, and I would happily pay £70 for a new console and this game and a memory card ( or can you use usb sticks for game saves on PS2 I cant remember)

atpbx · 18 May 2006 at 19:09

We've got 2 Ps2's.

Although to be fair, i havnt even plugged mine in for about 2 years.

Baine · 18 May 2006 at 19:18

noob said:
Japan is where it matters the most. Biggest gaming market in the world.

lol urban myth

Its just not true both the USA and Europe have larger markets then Japan after all japan is just one country......

Japan have the largest user base to population ratio but thats somthing very different if sony lose either europe or the states they got big problems

JUMPURS · 18 May 2006 at 20:16

Am i alone in being completely and utterly unsurprised at this?? I dont think the bods at MS are quite running around doing a naked happy dance just yet
I think the thread should be called. PS2 still sells more than 200,000 Units in US!
Are there figures for PSP sales and DS sales in the US? as i dare say the PS2 isnt the 2nd highest selling console in the states

dirtydog · 18 May 2006 at 20:20

One thing I will say for Sony, they seem to support their last-gen consoles better than MS do. MS have dropped the original Xbox already, but Sony rebranded the original Playstation (PSOne) and continued making and selling it for a long time after the PS2 came out. I think that deserves praise.

JUMPURS · 18 May 2006 at 20:25

dirtydog said:
One thing I will say for Sony, they seem to support their last-gen consoles better than MS do. MS have dropped the original Xbox already, but Sony rebranded the original Playstation (PSOne) and continued making and selling it for a long time after the PS2 came out. I think that deserves praise.

Yeap MS dont even let u play the old games on the new one. I long for a game of MotoGP3, links golf, PGR2 but cant be bothered to hook up my old xbox. Ohh thats right they are trying to sell the new versions of it

Sony got around the original backwards compatibilty issue for PS games on a PS2 by putting a PS chip in the PS2, genius imho

dirtydog · 18 May 2006 at 20:28

Yep that's another example of treating your customers well and not screwing them over. The 360 backwards compatibility (or lack thereof) shows what MS thinks of their paying customers all too well, unfortunately.

Worthy · 18 May 2006 at 20:41

nolimit said:
because it keeps breaking down.

Stupidest statement I've heard in a while. Even if 50,000 of those were replacements (hugely unlikely), it's still impressive for a console of it's age.

FrankJH · 18 May 2006 at 21:09

dirtydog said:
One thing I will say for Sony, they seem to support their last-gen consoles better than MS do. MS have dropped the original Xbox already, but Sony rebranded the original Playstation (PSOne) and continued making and selling it for a long time after the PS2 came out. I think that deserves praise.

I completely agree with this also - which begs the question is there inbuilt PS2 compatability in PS3? I havent heard one way or the other (maybe because most seem to be so pro-MS and they dont want to concede a potentially huge sellling point of the PS3 with its enormous back catalogue)

I have to also give credit to the wii at this point as I believe all previous gen games are going to be back compatable downloads if I remember correctly - mario and waverace were always my personal favs

JUMPURS · 18 May 2006 at 21:18

FrankJH said:
I completely agree with this also - which begs the question is there inbuilt PS2 compatability in PS3? I havent heard one way or the other (maybe because most seem to be so pro-MS and they dont want to concede a potentially huge sellling point of the PS3 with its enormous back catalogue)

I have to also give credit to the wii at this point as I believe all previous gen games are going to be back compatable downloads if I remember correctly - mario and waverace were always my personal favs

Sony have always said Backwards compat for both PS and PS2 fames is going to be in the PS3 and going to be for all games, it really is a big selling point to people with decent sized collections. I mean my collection isnt huge, but i dont wanna chuck it.
IIRC the only questions being raised is about a lack of memory card slot but i dunno.
Shows how much old games are important to companies if Ninty are doing the whole back catalogue avaliable, Sony doing a PS1 emulator on PSP, and compatibilty on the PS3, but MS dont seem to care for some reaon.

FrankJH · 18 May 2006 at 21:27

JUMPURS said:
Sony have always said Backwards compat for both PS and PS2 fames is going to be in the PS3 and going to be for all games, it really is a big selling point to people with decent sized collections. I mean my collection isnt huge, but i dont wanna chuck it.
IIRC the only questions being raised is about a lack of memory card slot but i dunno.
Shows how much old games are important to companies if Ninty are doing the whole back catalogue avaliable, Sony doing a PS1 emulator on PSP, and compatibilty on the PS3, but MS dont seem to care for some reaon.

Thank you for the confirmation - with the swapping of the graphics vendors I wondered if complications had arisan, very glad they havent.

I really hope Sony make the likes of GT series and the giant sellers available for download, as Ninty plan on doing

Why do you need a memory card slot if its got a netowrk connection and a hdd? Surely thats redundant?

360 outsells every other console

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