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3800x vs 9900k

3800x @ stock 12700 cpu score lol https://www.3dmark.com/spy/8538557

Operating system 64-bit Windows 10 (10.0.18970)
The RAM is 3000.
Motherboard Micro-Star International Co., Ltd. B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC (MS-7B85)

Current OS
Operating system 64-bit Windows 10 (10.0.18363)

That could mean big performance uplife will Windows 10 Insider Preview Build 18970 (20H1)
https://blogs.windows.com/windowsex...ncing-windows-10-insider-preview-build-18970/

No luck updating to it, latest build Windows 10 20H1 Insider Preview build 19008. does nothing to my performance but remove 20fps. https://www.askvg.com/new-update-build-of-windows-10-technical-preview-now-available-for-download/

Got a copy of 18990 insider preview iso to test.
 
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ComputerBase had the chance to test the recently released Beta version of the AMD AGESA 1.0.0.4 for the ASRock X570 Taichi, the X470 Taichi, the X370 Taichi, and the X570 Phantom Gaming X. With these tests there was an improvement of 80MHz on the all-core clock speed, from 4245MHz to 4325MHz, using an ASROCK X470 Taichi paired with Ryzen 3800X. The clock comparison was made by siding the AGESA 1.0.0.3ABBA (4245MHz) and AGESA 1.0.0.4 (4325MHz). Although the stable all-core clock improved, the peak clock of 4550MHz was the same between both AGESA versions.



Another improvement that’s coming with the new AGESA 1.0.0.4 is the faster boot times, as MSI claims and HKEPC tested. As the table above and HKEPC’s video shows, the boot times are improved by over 20% in three different test scenarios. The system specifications for this test were an MSI MEG X570 GODLIKE with Ryzen5 3600 and 2×8GB memory. This update will come later, in November, for the X470 and X370 motherboards.

https://www.kitguru.net/components/...ncreases-all-core-boost-decreases-boot-times/

 
Grim5 said:
9900k if you ever want to play old games

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He states only one game.

I can remember two.
  • Destiny 2
  • Max Payne
Destiny 2 got fixed with a bios patch.

Fixing Max Payne is a big issue if you want to play it these days. Windows 10 does not support DX8 for example and thus not Max Payne. Basically the game is unplayable on every system without patches. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1633394421

The patch is being worked on here for the jpeg issue,
https://github.com/luigoalma/maxpayne-grphmfc-jpg-patcher
 
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Can even play Max Payne on a mobile these days heh. Not as playable as on a PC though due to controls :s

Most of the problems with older games are more a Windows 10 + CPU issue though than CPU as such - not sure about Max Payne but there are some older games that don't like Ryzen much on Windows 10 but work fine if you mess about with drivers, etc. to get Windows 7 running on the CPU.
 
With Max Payne no one knows what is causing the issue as far as I can tell. It could be an old optimisation technique or cpu instructions that are no longer supported. A bug within Zen 2 like with destiny 2. As just one game is reporting an issue so far, it looks like Max Payne is doing something the Zen 2 no longer supports. It could be a assembly code optimisation in the loader. Remember Zen 2 CPU's support Windows 10 only and not anything before Windows 10. So there is no support for Max Payne or expectation that it should run normally. I would try a VM and see if I could get it to run there on windows 95. Yeah it sucks, as I have lots of old games I love playing from time to time.
 
Max Payne made early use of T&L/TCL in GPU hardware with some fairly obscure optimisations there and some FPU and MMX tricks IIRC that mean it probably will need to be limited to a single core on non-Intel hardware.

Devs behind it hail from the old demoscene days where CPU specific optimisations and obscure tricks were all part and parcel of development.
 
zx128k said:
I would try a VM and see if I could get it to run there on windows 95.
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It would certainly be worth a try, but the hypervisor just passes the capabilities of the CPU straight through to the VM for speed. So if Max Payne is reliant on a specific Intel CPU feature, it still isn’t going to be there.
 
5.3ghz no avx offset dialed in. Auto llc with +0.190v offset. I'll make this my daily during winter and use my 5.2ghz profile for summer.

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IT Troll said:
It would certainly be worth a try, but the hypervisor just passes the capabilities of the CPU straight through to the VM for speed. So if Max Payne is reliant on a specific Intel CPU feature, it still isn’t going to be there.
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I don't know what will happen. Will allow installing windows 95 on a ryzen 3000 cpu.
 
Robert896r1 said:
5.3ghz no avx offset dialed in. Auto llc with +0.190v offset. I'll make this my daily during winter and use my 5.2ghz profile for summer.

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1.4 volts vcore? Also why is it suck at 150.00 watts? Did you limit it? That will kill performance which would explain the low 57c and not thermal death. My 4930k would hit 180 watts and hit 82c in prime95 small fft with close to 1.4 volts vcore.
 
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zx128k said:
1.4 volts vcore? Also why is it suck at 150.00 watts? Did you limit it? That will kill performance which would explain the low 57c and not thermal death. My 4930k would hit 180 watts and hit 82c in prime95 small fft with close to 1.4 volts vcore.
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OCCT is reading off the superio chip which is wildly inaccurate on GB z390 boards. I’m giving feedback to the dev on getting updated libraries to get the isl69138 and ir35201 sensors into the list so you don’t need hwinfo64 running also.
 
Robert896r1 said:
OCCT is reading off the superio chip which is wildly inaccurate on GB z390 boards. I’m giving feedback to the dev on getting updated libraries to get the isl69138 and ir35201 sensors into the list so you don’t need hwinfo64 running also.
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1.29V is good, 1.35V is still OK, anything at 1.4V and over is a risk.

Also prime95 fft 12k is 195 watts @ 1.290 volts vcore @ 5GHz. This is a version of prime95 without avx.

5.3GHz @ 1.4 volts is basically going to be higher than 57c on epic custom water with avx instructions. Both the temps and load watts are wrong. CPU-z shows a load voltage of 1.4volts which can't be right for an avx load temp of 57c. With full custom water cooling. "5.2Ghz is stable on p95 non avx @ 1.43 with a max temp of 89c and a "constant" temp of around 82c." https://www.reddit.com/r/intel/comments/9v569b/safe_247_voltage_i99900k/

nyjets239
1 point · 1 year ago
I settled on 1.345 @ 5.1 with no offset. Not worth the extra voltage for 100mhz.

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mrbubbles02
1 point · 1 year ago
What are your clocks & temps under AVX workloads? From what I've read you're going to have a hard time at 5GHz AVX without an offset.

My i7-9700k has a hard time as-is on stock speeds, without the hyperthreading, on air cooling at 4600MHz AVX workloads.

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nyjets239
1 point · 1 year ago · edited 1 year ago
Around 75-80c in realbench, cinebench, and aida64. Prime95 gets 95-100c but it doesnt crash so i guess im good. That's the most extreme case though. Im using custom watercooling loop so my temps are pretty good I assume.

MSI abvice for stress testing...
- AIDA64 or Prime95 v26.6 (non-AVX) / Prime95 v27.9 (AVX) for a stress test
If the temperature is above 90° C, you should lower the Core Voltage.

Please run prime95 avx and post the temps.


3D Mark time spy cpu G.SKILL Trident Z RGB Series 32 GB (4 x 8GB) CL16 3600 MHz
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/40710090? and https://www.3dmark.com/spy/9194514 and https://www.3dmark.com/spy/9195676

https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/3DMark-Timespy-1480x1138.png
Power
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Power-1-1480x1143.png
ASUS Ryujin 240 AIO liquid cooler
https://cdn.wccftech.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/Temps-1-1480x1140.png

9900ks = 3800x OC with same RAM.
 
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