39 Bodies found in Lorry in Essex
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Yes he probably told them what they wanted to hear in exchange for a lesser sentence ?
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Decent sentences for the most part. Great that they got so many at the top, though seems this 'Fang' fella is MIA?
Still remember those post about how innocent the lorry driver was.....FML.
Still remember those post about how innocent the lorry driver was.....FML.
Because they don’t understand there may be a simpler route. They are scared into thinking that this method is the only way and are told about all the ‘road blocks’ and checks at every step of the way (which dont exist). By the time the criminals are through with their explanation the victims are incredibly grateful that they are being ‘helped’.
RIP
"arrested on suspicion of murder." Why exactly?
Surely the 39 people got into the lorry and wanted to come to England? Wouldnt it only be murder if he captured them then planned to kill them by freezing them in his lorry?
Do border force not check lorries or did they just not see the 39 frozen people??!
"arrested on suspicion of murder." Why exactly?
Surely the 39 people got into the lorry and wanted to come to England? Wouldnt it only be murder if he captured them then planned to kill them by freezing them in his lorry?
Do border force not check lorries or did they just not see the 39 frozen people??!
They died of excessive heat / no air.
You can commit murder by gross negligence.
Also, in respect of your comment that they wanted to enter the country, consent to risk is not consent to harm. For civil matters, you can potentially take successful legal action against a drunk driver even if you willingly got into the car with them knowing they are drunk. I say 'potentially' as individual circumstances are a matter of fact... but it's definitely been done before.
Because he had a trailer full of bodies.
No, but also none of those details would be known at the time of arrest either. He pleaded guilty to manslaughter at court.
Thanks. Thought as much, so the article is incorrect saying he murdered them.
If I woke up and one of my mates had climbed into my oven and burned to death, i doubt i would get charged with murder
It was manslaughter.
He was arrested on suspicion of murder because a lot of people were dead and he was involved and the police didn't know in advance exactly what the circumstances were. If you have 39 dead people in your lorry, the police are going to have suspicions of murder.
The would be very stupid of the police or a very inexperiences police office(s).
Have they not heard of people smuggling / smuggling of migrants that has gone wrong?
It would be pretty clear to me if somoene had 39 frozen ethnic people in their lorry that they were transporting them to make money which had gone wrong, not driving around killing people and collecting them!
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wasnt surprised by the sentences to be honest but should have been longer
its hard to find an appropriate sentence for something as awful as this
nothing will be enough !
its hard to find an appropriate sentence for something as awful as this
nothing will be enough !
And if you were in charge any murderer would know just what to do to avoid a murder charge.
Yes, that. The police are supposed to investigate what happened, not make assumptions about what happened up front.
Other people who have caused death by negligence in business have received far lower sentences than these people did. The most extreme example I can think of off the top of my head is the Bhopal leak, which killed thousands of people and injured hundreds of thousands of people. The people convicted of negligence causing it got sentences of a couple of years.
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i dont doubt it
i dont remember that one, i googled it. thats awful, but i think very different to this situation.
Intent, not pre-meditation.
They know more about the law than you evidently do though, so perhaps trust their judgement?
Yes they have, which is why after the course of the investigation the charge was changed to manslaughter.
A fairly good summing up. If a body appears, and it looks like someone else was involved in their death then the police will generally start with a probability of murder. If for no other reason that the budget is a lot bigger.
How? Both were businesses. Both were run in a way that was negligent to safety. Both resulted in people dying. If anything, Bhopal was far worse because the number of victims was far higher and most of the victims weren't in any way involved.