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3Ghz Dual or 2.4Ghz Quad?

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What has that got to do with anything? Whether you can notice the difference or not, there is a relatively big difference there. ATi tray tools shows that.

Who gives twos about what ATI tray tool shows.

150FPS to 200FPS is quite a big difference if your just comparing the FPS, in reality though, you would not notice the difference.

When you play games you judge the performance how it runs not what a program shows.
 
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So what game is getting 150 to 200 fps?

what about the Q6600 gives you 40 fps and the e6850 gives you 90fps. still a 50 fps difference but this time it means something.

That is correct.

If your getting 150FPS then the game will be running so smooth than anything more you wouldent notice the difference.
 
Who gives twos about what ATI tray tool shows.

150FPS to 200FPS is quite a big difference if your just comparing the FPS, in reality though, you would not notice the difference.

When you play games you judge the performance how it runs not what a program shows.


Thats like saying you dont care what your car speedo shows, 150mph feels the same as 120mph and whether it is faster or not is irrelevant it feels the same anyway.

It IS faster, it DOES give you more FPS and barring supreme commander right now it IS faster at everything barring multimedia work, encoding/decoding etc.
 
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Who is getting 150-250 FPS at MAX settings anyhow, the difference between a higher clocked CPU at say 4GHZ and stock at 3GHZ could add some needed FPS to a already low FPS and make a game playable.

Pure example, lets say a games getting 25FPS MAXED with a high end GPU, and you find its the CPU limiting it (depends on game), and you OC from 3GHZ to 4GHZ and FPS goes up to 38FPS. :)
 
still what the point. with the case mentioned above getting a game rendering stupid amounts of frames per second more than than your monitor can handle is pointless. as long as thefame rengering rate doen't dip below you monitors refresh rate thats perfect,

when games starts makeing better use of multithreding with 4 or more threds down the line you'll regret not having a quad.
 
They would if it was video endoding.;)
I disagree.

I encode to Xvid from a RAID partition (2x160GB SATA Samsungs) that can sustain about 75MB/s and it on occasion lowers the fps conversion rate due to the hard drive not keeping up with the 2 cores (E6600 @ 3ghz) processing video.

You could use it across lots of seperate hard drives yes, but that would be pretty irritating :p
 
I'll just observe that the difference in clock rate between a 3.6Ghz and 4Ghz chip is 400Mhz. The maximum that the quad is therefore slower in a single thread/theaded app/game is therefore 400/4000 = 10%. (In reality, the difference will likely be less than even that, because overclocking the CPU does not neccesarily mean that the rest of the system is similarly overclocked/overclockable, so for example for RAM intensive apps the CPU might end up just "waiting faster" for data to arrive from the RAM.) So, the point is, even for the single threaded overclocked case, the quad is going to be at most 10% slower than the dual core. For a single threaded 100FPS game on the dual, that will be 90FPS on the quad. For a 50FPS game on the dual, that will be 45FPS on the quad. Etc etc. It seems to me that it is unlikely to be noticeable, as others commented already. And then this does not even take into account the fact that with a Quad your cpu intensive single core apps will have 3 cores taking care of the other 40+ (mostly idle, but still) processes on the system, which means that it will probably get slightly closer to 100% of one core's time than it would even on the dual core.

As for power consumption, the Duo's are specced at 65W, while the Quad's are specced at 95W (the newer ones anyway.) So the difference is a measly 30W, hardly one lightbulb, and in real terms neither value is exactly huge. (Think back to the days of the hot P4 Prescott's and how much power *they* used...) You could have course turn on all the power daving features (e.g. SpeedStep) which would further reduce the power consumption figures. However, power usage does not increase/decrease linearly with clock rate, so it would not be unreasonable to expect the power usage to be substantially less than half the normal rating at half the clock rate, for example say 20W and 30W (leaving a difference of only 10W) when run at half the clock rate, hardly something to get hugely wound up about.

Finally as others have pointed out, Quad cores are already cheap. It's therefore not anymore a case of waiting for them to come down in price, they're already pretty affordable. If your budget is x, and you can get either a dual core or a quad core for about x, then it makes all the sense in the world to buy the quad. The only time it would make sense to go dual, is if you only want to spend up to x/2 on a dual core. Otherwise you're actually paying more for getting less (in a cost per core/cost per cpu cycle sense.) In reality, we have the following:

Q6600 (4 core, 2.4Ghz stock): ~ £180
Total Number of cycles in a second: ~ 9600 million
Effective Cost for 1000 million cycles: ~ £18.75

E6850 (2 core, 3.0Ghz stock): ~ £176
Total Number of cycles in a second: ~ 6000 million
Effective Cost for 1000 million cycles: ~ £29.33

E4500 (2 core, 2.2Ghz stock): ~ £90
Number of cycles in a second: ~ 4.4Ghz
Effective Cost for 1000 million cycles: ~ £20.45

So in a "price per processing cycle" sense, the quad is the cheapest from the 3 listed, the second best being the E4500, followed lastly by the E6850.

As you can tell by now, my leaning is toward a quad in situations where the CPU budget is around £180 or so, since the single threaded case does not present to me a compelling reason to buy the dual core, given that there's at best only a 10% delta in the overclocked case outlined above, given that the difference in power requirement seems relatively small (particularly compared to the gargantuan requirements of the other components in the system eg the video card etc), and finally given that you're actuallypaying substantially more per Ghz processing capability for many of the dual-cores. So, for smaller budgets/requirements, the closest step down seems to be something like the E4500, which is at least approximately comparable in a cost per Ghz processing capability and would be reasonable.

Right, now I'll go put on my asbestos underwear and wait for the flaming to begin! :D
 
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Just remember the exponential power increase as youre overclocking :p, and how much the 3rd and 4th cores will be used as a quad ;).

I know youre just trying to retionalise it though mate :).
 
Pure example, lets say a games getting 25FPS MAXED with a high end GPU, and you find its the CPU limiting it (depends on game), and you OC from 3GHZ to 4GHZ and FPS goes up to 38FPS. :)
But at high resolution CPU has made barely any difference in the majority of games. Not including SupCom, nearly all games are GPU limited at a decent resolution, not CPU.

The Quad is a far wiser option, unless you're playing at 800x600, but hey even then the FPS will be well over 60 so it won't make a difference.
 
As a gamer only i would rather go for the Dual core like the E6750 and pocket the difference.

By time quads become mainstream and is supported throughout the majority of games and applications you will have upgraded to something better anyway.
 
I can easily bring my quad core to its knees with the statistics programs I use for academics/research. Quad Core in this case on MP versions of the software makes a massive difference.
 
still what the point. with the case mentioned above getting a game rendering stupid amounts of frames per second more than than your monitor can handle is pointless. as long as thefame rengering rate doen't dip below you monitors refresh rate thats perfect,

when games starts makeing better use of multithreding with 4 or more threds down the line you'll regret not having a quad.

Thats the usual BS answer in these threads, "WHEN games" is the right choice of phrase, and by then I will be on a Real Native AMD Quad. ;)

The current Non Native Intel Quads are soon to be the old Intel Tech.
 
Because its their choice, I dont see the issue either way, but its the peeps on Non Native 1st gen Quads that keep on and on as if everyone should also be on one thats buying a new CPU today.

I ask the same questions in every one these boring carbon copy threads:

1) How long are you keeping it for.

2) What do you use PC for.

I do not even take the power use or cooling into it, for now I will get more out my games with a faster Dual, I wont be on it that long and would not have been on Intel full stop if my new Crosshair was not a dud and broke 2 AMD X2 6000+'s.

I wish peeps would use the search in all honesty.
 
Thats the usual BS answer in these threads, "WHEN games" is the right choice of phrase, and by then I will be on a Real Native AMD Quad. ;)

The current Non Native Intel Quads are soon to be the old Intel Tech.

Yeah cause we all know that Phenom processors will be able to cure cancer etc. at the drop of a dime. Get off AMD's less visible bodyparts before they release something substantial in regards to Phenom, same goes for Penryn, Nehalem, anything, deal with what is there now. And you know that "native" means jack, as long as intel has an IPC lead as they do now, and i really hope that it won't have when Phenom is out, but that's not how it's looking so far.

In regards to quad, what's the problem, everyone can setup these advantes and disadvantages for themself and make a purchase, why all the flaming?
I'd choose a quad core, but that's because i know that it would help out tremendously in Ableton and with other Virtual Instruments i use for making music, if you want more mhz(at stock, which shouldn't even be discussed at a site called Overclockers) then go for the dual-core, why is this even a debate?
 
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