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spoffle said:
And yet people have also moved from 6** to 7*** for the same reasons, but for some odd reason you're not counting that as being the same thing. Inconsistent logic is inconsistent.
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Did you read my post? I said I had seen both and that on the balance I what I'd seen I thought AMD drivers were more likely to cause issues. As you're now reading my posts and then misquoting them I think the discussion is over. You talk of inconsistencies and then post something which defies logic. :confused:

I'm sure we'll have the same discussion in another thread.

psychodil said:
On the balance of fairness I will warn chrisoldinho that if he goes for a 6xx his gaming may become a stutter fest due to crappy drivers :D
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True. This would have actually been a good counter-argument. Unfortunately spoffle wanted to talk in abstract obscurities instead :D
 
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Rusty0611 said:
I'm willing to admit that it's debateable. But it's not as clear cut as being made out from the pro AMD driver posters here.
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Of course there's going to be pro AMD driver posters, it's clear cut for the ones not having issues, the happy AMD users are just as passionate as the happy Nvidia users Rusty.

Rusty0611 said:
It's not a fool proof way of summarising but there is no proper way to calculate the probability.
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Much the same as proving one is better or worse than another.;)

Regarding the dreadded CrossFire, I have went over thread titles from the last 30 pages, and to my surprise, there is not any more mutterings of failing CrossFire over SLi problems-that end up actually being a problem and not PEBKAC in regards to both SLi/CrossFire or the hardware is faulty.

In actual fact there is hardly any mutterings about dodgy dual setups on the whole, just goes to show.

;)
:)
 
It's not as simple as that Rusty, as I said before, the most greetin is done about Trifire, not CrossFire, usually by the same posters.

If you can hand pick a decent amount of different complainers, and I can't find a comparison, then I'll sit up and take notice.

I'll leave it in your capable hands since I'm not the one putting out that ones better than the other.;)
 
It is as simple as that. I can think of many occasions where I've read something to that effect. I've got far better things to do with my time than trawl through threads to prove a point.

There's plenty of people who think the same thing as I do regarding this. If I was considering going multi GPU in the future again I would be put off from the start by AMD. Not to say I wouldn't but it wouldn't be first choice off the bat.

What's with all the downplaying of trifire issues as well? It's rubbish and doesn't work as well as it should. Granted small population but the multi-GPU is pretty small in itself.

Please stop posting stuff I'm not actually saying as well. It's tiresome correcting you:

tommybhoy said:
Of course there's going to be pro AMD driver posters, it's clear cut for the ones not having issues, the happy AMD users are just as passionate as the happy Nvidia users Rusty.
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This was never even close to being implied. I was merely grouping the other side of the coin in a nice term. I don't have a clue what you're implying. :confused:

At the end of the day I'm debating with people who've had no problems so I don't expect to agree but all this twisting of words and posting counter arguments to things I haven't said is a little poor and shows a lack of.... something. Can't put my finger on the word :p.
 
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Rusty0611 said:
It is as simple as that. I can think of many occasions where I've read something to that effect. I've got far better things to do with my time than trawl through threads to prove a point.
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It's not as simple, we can all say words but as I said, there's not much negativity from problem threads, period, it may be in posts here and there, but Im reading the exact same forum and haven't noticed any more CrossFire moaning over SLI.


Rusty0611 said:
There's plenty of people who think the same thing as I do regarding this.
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It goes down to brand preference, most of the time, the criticism comes from the opposing brand, for others they don't really care what way they go.

Rusty0611 said:
If I was considering going multi GPU in the future again I would be put off from the start by AMD. Not to say I wouldn't but it wouldn't be first choice off the bat.
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That's cool, if you put it forward that way, I respect that, but it doesn't look good when you enter a thread and in response to an OP which contained this:

Chrisoldinho said:
I have a CF 6850 setup before, which for me worked flawlessly and scaled very well in most games.
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In your op, after initially advising a 670(nothing at all wrong with that), to then introduce CrossFire as having issues to someone that's used it 'flawlessly' tells it's own story.:(

If it was about SLi and I came in with the same slant against Nvidia, you would be doing similar posting as I am in this thread.:)


Rusty0611 said:
What's with all the downplaying of trifire issues as well? It's rubbish and doesn't work as well as it should. Granted small population but the multi-GPU is pretty small in itself.
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Theres no downplaying from me regarding TriFire, Locky and Besty are very vocal about it not being even remotely good enough, which is shocking, but it isn't the same argument for CrossFire, they have both said however CrossFire is good on the whole.



Rusty0611 said:
Please stop posting stuff I'm not actually saying as well. It's tiresome correcting you:

tommybhoy said:
Of course there's going to be pro AMD driver posters, it's clear cut for the ones not having issues, the happy AMD users are just as passionate as the happy Nvidia users Rusty.
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This was never even close to being implied. I was merely grouping the other side of the coin in a nice term. I don't have a clue what you're implying. :confused:
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It was in response to this(apologies for not being more clear):
Rusty0611 said:
But it's not as clear cut as being made out from the pro AMD driver posters here.
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Rusty0611 said:
At the end of the day I'm debating with people who've had no problems so I don't expect to agree but all this twisting of words and posting counter arguments to things I haven't said is a little poor and shows a lack of.... something. Can't put my finger on the word :p.
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I'm not twisting words, in a few occasions in the thread, you have put CrossFire down, which imo was initially not needed from the off due to the op knowing all about CrossFire.

When you stop and have a think about it Rusty, you'll understand where I'm(and others) coming from, as I said before, I've been there and noticed it more when people pointed it out, hopefully you will too.:)

Night night, see you tomorow luv;).
 
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majnu said:
I made a thread of my 7850 xfire benches, but I think the mods deleted all the pic attachments so I can't be arsed uploading them all again as it took bloody ages to do first time around. But I did post the same thread on overclock.net so I'll try and dig it out.

edit- my bad the pics are there but they weren't last time around. :S

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18421921&highlight=startername_majnu
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Thanks (nice setup BTW), it's very difficult finding good CF 7850 reviews, I have seen one official review on some HIS X Turbo 7850's, one users review on another forum and now this, i'll have a good read through this and see how it compares.
 
Ok, well reading the posts I am able to find on a 7850 CF setup it's clear to me that the performance is in the region of 20% ahead of an overclocked 7970, not withstanding that some 7970's (Lightning's it would appear) are probably only 10-15% behind.

Clearly with my budget I could stretch for a 7970 Lightning, but again looking at my setup it's not Intel i7 level, so when I do upgrade it is unlikely to be for another lightning, more likely a new build.

So my decision has been made, a CF 7850 setup is what I am going for, might even stretch myself to a 7870 given the small price differential, although reading various threads the performance gain for doing this is negligible.

At 1080p gaming no game (without some extreme mods) currently pushes the 2GB VRAM limit, and I doubt any game will in the next few years, furthermore in 3 years time when my PC is probably considered slow by the ever changing face of PC components, I am not sure sticking a second 7970 in would really be my first choice. I'd be much more likely to get the next generation of cards which would undoubtedly trounce the current top end cards, just like the 7970 does with the 6970 and the GTX 680 does to the GTX 580.

So the search is now on, with the forerunner being the MSI 7850 Power Edition, but I am open to suggestions.

Chris.
 
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Chrisoldinho said:
I am open to suggestions.
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Not what your thinking about, but...

YOUR BASKET
1 x MSI HD 7850 Power Edition Twin Frozr IV OC 2048MB GDDR5 PCI-Express Graphics Card w/ Nexuiz & Dirt Showdown PC Games £199.99
1 x Intel Core i5-3570K 3.40GHz (Ivybridge) Socket LGA1155 Processor (77W) - Retail £179.99
1 x MSI Z77A-G45 Intel Z77 (Socket 1155) DDR3 Motherboard £104.99
Total : £496.37 (includes shipping : £9.50).



Or substitute the PE for a WF and save another £14.

Sell on your 990FX+CPU(£160ish?) and you nearly have enough for another 7850 while getting a serious all round upgrade that will give you maximum scaling performance for not that much extra outlay?
 
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Still think 7950 crossfire is a better option. And not that much more expensive if you get the second later on...

@Tommy: we're going round in circles with it mate. We're both just repeating the same point in a different way. I disagree with you but it's all good.
 
@Rusty,

:cool:

@Stanners,

The wifes coil whine has died down to acceptable levels so I don't think I'l get shot yet and the kid is the main man although he likes all things green.;)

But seriously you got it all wrong mate, my posting in this thread wasn't at all about 'get an AMD', anyone without brand preference will notice that.:)
 
Now that 7970 prices have dropped if I was to do it again I'd go for a gtx670 or 7970. At the time xfire 7850's were the most cost effective solution based on price and performance and I didn't need to change my PSU.

If you look ****** there is a Sapphire HD7970 3GB Graphics Card and at the price it's advertised at it's a steal.

Sorry I can't link the price otherwise I'd be banned lol But it's safe to say it's under £310. :)
 
majnu said:
Now that 7970 prices have dropped if I was to do it again I'd go for a gtx670 or 7970. At the time xfire 7850's were the most cost effective solution based on price and performance and I didn't need to change my PSU.

If you look there is a Sapphire HD7970 3GB Graphics Card and at the price it's advertised at it's a steal.

Sorry I can't link the price otherwise I'd be banned lol But it's safe to say it's under £310. :)
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I just found it, good pirce for a sapphire dual fan 7970.
 
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