4790k to 10400f for 4k gaming?

newuser · 19 May 2021 at 14:16

Hi

Second PC being used for gaming connected to a 4k tv in the living room. Also used to run a quest 2.

Got 4790k at 4600 and 16gb 2400 ram.
Would get 10400f, Mag Mortar WIFI (want wifi 6, BT, fan headers and integrated IO shield), and one 8bg stick of ram to match one I already have. Cost about 280.
Could go 11400f, B560 version of board and 3600 kit for about 100 quid more. 100 quid isn't the end of the world but I'm tight.

Would this make much real world difference? The 4790k takes an age to load stuff with the CPU pegged, but is mostly ok once it gets going.

Would be paired with a Hyper 212 EVO, 2080ti, 2 x sata ssd, EVGA550 G2 in a define R4 with 4 x 140mm fans. Probably run it at 65w.

Cheers

Game · 19 May 2021 at 18:06

I noticed a large improvement on games going from a i5-6600 to a i5-10400f but only playing fps

the 3600 is outperformed by the 10400 on a b560 comfortably

McGraw · 19 May 2021 at 22:55

newuser said:
Hi

Second PC being used for gaming connected to a 4k tv in the living room. Also used to run a quest 2.

Got 4790k at 4600 and 16gb 2400 ram.
Would get 10400f, Mag Mortar WIFI (want wifi 6, BT, fan headers and integrated IO shield), and one 8bg stick of ram to match one I already have. Cost about 280.
Could go 11400f, B560 version of board and 3600 kit for about 100 quid more. 100 quid isn't the end of the world but I'm tight.

Would this make much real world difference? The 4790k takes an age to load stuff with the CPU pegged, but is mostly ok once it gets going.

Would be paired with a Hyper 212 EVO, 2080ti, 2 x sata ssd, EVGA550 G2 in a define R4 with 4 x 140mm fans. Probably run it at 65w.

Cheers

what do you mean by taking ages to load with the CPU pegged/100%?

Joxeon · 19 May 2021 at 23:19

Do you have your games on an SSD as that will make a big difference to load times.

HangTime · 20 May 2021 at 01:57

Not worth it as you'll be GPU limited at 4k in most games.

Rroff · 20 May 2021 at 03:45

There are a few games starting to emerge where having more than 4 cores, 8 threads is an advantage even a 4K. You probably won't see a huge uplift to average framerate but minimums will probably go up a lot.

newuser · 20 May 2021 at 09:30

McGraw said:
what do you mean by taking ages to load with the CPU pegged/100%?

Joxeon said:
Do you have your games on an SSD as that will make a big difference to load times.

I've also got a 10700k that I use for gaming and other stuff, both PCs have games stored on MX500 ssds. Taking Forza Horizon 4 as an example the 10700k loads into the game very quickly while I could go and make a coffee while the 4790k thinks about it. It's showing 100% cpu usage while loading. Other games are similar but not as pronounced. Once it gets it's ducks lined up it does ok for the most part.

newuser · 20 May 2021 at 09:40

HangTime said:
Not worth it as you'll be GPU limited at 4k in most games.

Rroff said:
There are a few games starting to emerge where having more than 4 cores, 8 threads is an advantage even a 4K. You probably won't see a huge uplift to average framerate but minimums will probably go up a lot.

Thanks both, I suspected that may be the case. I've got some time off so I'm going to give it a good workout today and decide from there. I'm leaning toward not upgrading it, I've got the newer PC that I can use for stuff that it won't run.

Journey · 20 May 2021 at 09:47

newuser said:
Could go 11400f, B560 version of board and 3600 kit for about 100 quid more. 100 quid isn't the end of the world but I'm tight.

Or you could go 10400f, with B560, and 16GB RAM, this will give you the benefit of the B560 RAM speed. Saying that there is only ~£18 difference between an 11400f and a 10400f right now, so you can still get a good board, and 16GB 3200MHz+ RAM for under £300 with the CPU.

Rroff · 20 May 2021 at 09:48

newuser said:
I've also got a 10700k that I use for gaming and other stuff, both PCs have games stored on MX500 ssds. Taking Forza Horizon 4 as an example the 10700k loads into the game very quickly while I could go and make a coffee while the 4790k thinks about it. It's showing 100% cpu usage while loading. Other games are similar but not as pronounced. Once it gets it's ducks lined up it does ok for the most part.

I think the quad channel on X79 helps a bit as well but I swapped from my 4820K to a 6 core 12 thread Xeon and generally get pretty decent performance from a similar age system but unfortunately the consumer 4000 series don't have the same upgrade path.

HangTime · 20 May 2021 at 10:46

I have FH4 and it loads slowly from an NVME drive with 2700X cpu. Well, a lot faster than the Xbox One, but that's expected. I'd say it's one of the slowest loading games I've seen, just getting to the screen where it says "Press A to continue" before it's even loaded the game world takes like a minute.

pandem0nium · 20 May 2021 at 15:38

Rroff said:
I think the quad channel on X79 helps a bit as well but I swapped from my 4820K to a 6 core 12 thread Xeon and generally get pretty decent performance from a similar age system but unfortunately the consumer 4000 series don't have the same upgrade path.

They're not really comparable because the 4820k is Ivy Bridge / 3rd gen. it's closest to a 3770K.

Rroff · 20 May 2021 at 15:45

pandem0nium said:
They're not really comparable because the 4820k is Ivy Bridge / 3rd gen. it's closest to a 3770K.

4820K (for gaming) is more equivalent to the Haswell desktop chips - closest to the 4770K. Main difference with the 4790K though is the out the box clock speed.

At 4.4GHz 451 vs 456 for the 4790K single thread in CPUz benchmark with the 1650 V2:

https://valid.x86.fr/u28wd2

pandem0nium · 20 May 2021 at 16:21

Rroff said:
4820K (for gaming) is more equivalent to the Haswell desktop chips - closest to the 4770K. Main difference with the 4790K though is the out the box clock speed.

At 4.4GHz 451 vs 456 for the 4790K single thread in CPUz benchmark with the 1650 V2:

https://valid.x86.fr/u28wd2

Yeah, an overclock and quad channel ram will make up some of the difference of the IPC. The extra L3 cache in the Xeon probably helps as well. The 4820K is about as close cousins to the 3770K as you can get though. Just add quad channel and up the TDP.

They are very good though. I had a 4960X in a RIVBE board a few years ago at 4.5. I would've kept it a lot longer but the board died on me. I'd love to have a play with a 1680 V2.

Rroff · 20 May 2021 at 16:33

pandem0nium said:
Yeah, an overclock and quad channel ram will make up some of the difference of the IPC. The extra L3 cache in the Xeon probably helps as well. The 4820K is about as close cousins to the 3770K as you can get though. Just add quad channel and up the TDP.

They are very good though. I had a 4960X in a RIVBE board a few years ago at 4.5. I would've kept it a lot longer but the board died on me. I'd love to have a play with a 1680 V2.

Also extra cache memory on the 4820K vs 3770K and a few other internal differences due to the bus layout - generally puts it closer to the 4770K than 3770K though depends a bit on task and/or game.

The 1650/80 V2s are crazy though - premium tier silicon so clock like crazy (it will do 4.7 and probably beyond but my cooling isn't up to it) and the memory controller will do 2800+MHz no hassle - I had trouble even running 2400MHz at stock on my 4820K - this 1650 will run the RAM at anything I can throw at it without any trouble.

darket · 20 May 2021 at 21:16

Rroff said:
The 1650/80 V2s are crazy though - premium tier silicon so clock like crazy (it will do 4.7 and probably beyond but my cooling isn't up to it) and the memory controller will do 2800+MHz no hassle - I had trouble even running 2400MHz at stock on my 4820K - this 1650 will run the RAM at anything I can throw at it without any trouble.

Is the multiplier unlocked then ?

pandem0nium · 20 May 2021 at 22:16

darket said:
Is the multiplier unlocked then ?

Yeah, the Single Socket E5 Xeons are unlocked. These are anyway, I think they're locked Broadwell and after.

Rroff · 21 May 2021 at 00:40

darket said:
Is the multiplier unlocked then ?

Yup most Xeons aren't but the some of the E5-16xx up to v2 are unlocked. Probably not surprising given the original cost but they seem to be top tier silicon with low out the box voltage and overclock like crazy.

newuser · 22 May 2021 at 15:51

I've been playing about with combinations of stuff and I've decided not to upgrade the second PC. I was mostly using it for VR but that works better with the new PC and wireless now that I've set it up properly rather than plugged into the old PC.

Cooler running · 22 May 2021 at 20:46

With a 2080 ti I'd personally step up to the 10600k rather than a 10400F.

The 104 will give you a modest uplift, maybe 3-15%. With 106 (or 116) you'll be looking at a 10-30% uplift, which in my opinion is more worthwhile of an upgrade.
Honestly I'd be concerned that you'd still not be taking full advantage of the 2080 ti in all titles.