What the hell are you on about? When did I mention anything about condoms? Yes, I know oil degrades latex, but I didn't even talk about latex... and that was my point, as I said, "vaseline can't be good for a graphics card".
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4850 Launch Delayed till Jun 23
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What the hell are you on about? When did I mention anything about condoms? Yes, I know oil degrades latex, but I didn't even talk about latex... and that was my point, as I said, "vaseline can't be good for a graphics card".
You = tard
What's with the bashing spree? Loadsa might be repetitive, but you can't blame him. He's basically telling it how it is. NV have renamed their 8 series and marketed them as a new gen 9 series. You just seem like an annoying little fly that's impossible to swat.
Apparently some European sites have had the 4850 on preorder for 131 Euros plus tax which works out about £120 including VAT for us. I really hope it is as I'll be picking up at least one (to later be put in a media PC once the 4870/X2 arrives) if the 4870 isn't released along with it.
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What, and you think you're not some kind of fanboy too? Picking faults with cards that aren't even out yet says it all to me. Most people don't like NV as company so refuse to buy their stuff. You seem to have some sort of love affair with NV and buy their stuff no matter what. Vaseline can't be good for a graphics card...
I doubt many people will really care if the cards are delayed a bit. Not many people (those with sense) are gonna buy right on release day because of price gouging.
Did I say it would HAVE problems?
Just said I'd enjoy listing those that it had.
Unless of course you claim it will be 100% bug free.
I buy NV, because I use a TV output (ATI's Svideo outputs look like NTSC), and use Linux (ATI take my money and then tell me to F* off, nice)[1]
NV are W*ers and no mistake, And ATi are part of AMD, and I am definitely an AMD fanboy, but I the last ATI card I had nearly drove me insane with it's lack of a TV output that worked nicely, or any support for my main serious use, OS.
It forced me to build a second machine so it could stay with the games, while everything else went through an old NV junker.
[1]obviosly, this may have changed, but I don't fancy chucking 200 quid into the wind to find out, would you?
To be fair, I've had a fair share of problems using the TV out on ATi cards too. My problems were to do with colour (way way over saturated). I just don't need to use the Svideo out anymore as I use HDMI now so it's not a problem that effects me but I do appreciate how annoying it can be.
AHHHH you jinxed it!!!!!!!!!!!
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If they are going to be limited then they will be i rekon, we saw it with the 8800 GT's, supposedly going to be around the £140 mark them, but didn't turn out like that though did they seen as Nvidia limited them, the stock clocked ones were around £180 (the Asus was £185 on here i remember), and the overclocked ones, the likes of BFG etc... were up to £200 and over, so i rekon were talking at least £60 on top now, which is going to be damn shame.
When the GTS's came out, even though they wern't a big step up performance wise from the GT (certainly didn't warrant the extra £'s), everyone who was looking for a GT was still snapping them up regardless, as they were available.
The GTX 260 being available in good numbers makes it more attractive, as i know i wouldn't spend days/weeks etc... hunting around for a 4870, not when i could just get a GTX 260 as those are in stock.
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buzzbuzz buzzzzzzzzzzzWhat's with the bashing spree? Loadsa might be repetitive, but you can't blame him. He's basically telling it how it is. NV have renamed their 8 series and marketed them as a new gen 9 series. You just seem like an annoying little fly that's impossible to swat.
*flies into a car*
oh cra......*is unable to finish thought*
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If they are going to be limited then they will be i rekon, we saw it with the 8800 GT's, supposedly going to be around the £140 mark them, but didn't turn out like that though did they seen as Nvidia limited them, the stock clocked ones were around £180 (the Asus was £185 on here i remember), and the overclocked ones, the likes of BFG etc... were up to £200 and over, so i rekon were talking at least £60 on top now, which is going to be damn shame.
When the GTS's came out, even though they wern't a big step up performance wise from the GT (certainly didn't warrant the extra £'s), everyone who was looking for a GT was still snapping them up regardless, as they were available.
The GTX 260 being available in good numbers makes it more attractive, as i know i wouldn't spend days/weeks etc... hunting around for a 4870, not when i could just get a GTX 260 as those are in stock.
The gtx 260 may well be around 300 on launch imo most people would still wait for a 4870 if the performance is good. Big difference in 200 to 300 pound.
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Could be light at the end of the tunnel, GT200's reportedly going to be in short supply as well now, higher premiums for those as well then. 
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7743&Itemid=1
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7743&Itemid=1
Could be light at the end of the tunnel, GT200's reportedly going to be in short supply as well now, higher premiums for those as well then.
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=7743&Itemid=1
Didn't see that one coming.
Come on, nVidia did the manufacturing equivalent of trying to avoid crashing into a wall by accelerating into it. G92 was already a difficult chip as it was at first, and doubling the transistor count and producing it on the same 65nm fab is not a smart move. They may have the 'most powerful cards on the market', but until they can shrink them or get production up, it means squat. I guess this means AMD'll have the most powerful readily availible cards on the market for a while?
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To be fair, I've had a fair share of problems using the TV out on ATi cards too. My problems were to do with colour (way way over saturated). I just don't need to use the Svideo out anymore as I use HDMI now so it's not a problem that effects me but I do appreciate how annoying it can be.
KUDOS for admitting that
That's exactly the deal, colours saturated, dot-crawl a ZXSpectrum would have been ashamed of. Just looked like NTSC, so much so, I flashed the bugger with the PAL BIOS, messed it up, mindwiped the card. Fortunately, I had saved the original BIOS, and used my NV junker to learn the keypress sequence, so I could do it blind with the ATi back in.
Fixed it, then used a BIOS editor to force set the PAL setting (already said PAL anyway, but I just assumed it had been lying), still terrible. In Linux it was like a virus with an edge connector...downright malevolant
Still in DOS-XP it ran a superb treat for games, apart from one totally bizarre thing.....it was alergic to trees. Didn't matter what game (Richard Burns Rally, Age of Empires, all of them), enter a heavily forested area and soon the trees started to tear into gaping holes in the game's reality, big shafts of colour ripping through space time, and eventually, the card would fill it's undies and freeze. I originally thought it was objecting to some Dx "tree algorhythm", but it can't have been because I can't imagine a common "lib-tree"(or whatever libs are called in DOS), being used for a Rally game and an isometric projection RTS.
If they release an 8800GTXoc2 slayer, and it has Linux support, I'd still consider one, as I do not make THAT much use of the SVid anymore, although in truth, I always took the awful TV out to be indicative of the general quality of the electronics inside.
But, looky looky, my original point seems to have been bourne out by subsequent posts.....ATI=no cards on sale=fine and dandy. NV=reduced numbers of cards on sale=antichrist.
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I bet you were the one that started the rumour that the UK are biased towards ATI .
The point why everyone is so hard on Nvidia of late is all to do with the company itself. Since you've magically forgotten everything over the last year or so I'll reflect for you.
Terrible driver support (ancient 9800Pro has better support over the G80GTX). G92 GTX and Gx2. DX10.1 removal in Vantage and Assassins Creed (still to see a proper review for proof so this could change). Lack of innovation - bolted together GX2. Lack of new tech DX10.1.
ATI showed great innovation with the RV670 after the poor show (efficiency wise) of R600. They also included DX10.1 although it's still to be seen if this has helped. It has by benchmarks but at the cost of AF as the driver never supported this in game. ATI halved power draw, reduced the fan noise, less heat and most importantly, dropped prices whilst releasing 6 drivers in the 6 months between R600 and RV670. This (price reducing) in turn forced Nvidia to drop to compete.
So the reason I personally complain a bit more about Nvidia is that the company that everyone thought was finished, was a poor show and couldn't compete are constantly bringing innovation while Nvidia just sit lazily and won't give a care for drivers, don't care for DX10.1 and now are finding it hard to make a deadline although they've had since 2006 and a major lead over ATI in their favour. They should be miles ahead with all the time they've had.
.The point why everyone is so hard on Nvidia of late is all to do with the company itself. Since you've magically forgotten everything over the last year or so I'll reflect for you.
Terrible driver support (ancient 9800Pro has better support over the G80GTX). G92 GTX and Gx2. DX10.1 removal in Vantage and Assassins Creed (still to see a proper review for proof so this could change). Lack of innovation - bolted together GX2. Lack of new tech DX10.1.
ATI showed great innovation with the RV670 after the poor show (efficiency wise) of R600. They also included DX10.1 although it's still to be seen if this has helped. It has by benchmarks but at the cost of AF as the driver never supported this in game. ATI halved power draw, reduced the fan noise, less heat and most importantly, dropped prices whilst releasing 6 drivers in the 6 months between R600 and RV670. This (price reducing) in turn forced Nvidia to drop to compete.
So the reason I personally complain a bit more about Nvidia is that the company that everyone thought was finished, was a poor show and couldn't compete are constantly bringing innovation while Nvidia just sit lazily and won't give a care for drivers, don't care for DX10.1 and now are finding it hard to make a deadline although they've had since 2006 and a major lead over ATI in their favour. They should be miles ahead with all the time they've had.
Oh noes! The release date got put back a bit!
Dun dun dunnnnn.
On a different note, Open-Source 3D support is getting closer for Linux thanks to ATi opening up the docs so when that is ready, Nvidia will be the ones with the worse drivers on Linux (right now it's Nvidia with the advantage)
Dun dun dunnnnn.
On a different note, Open-Source 3D support is getting closer for Linux thanks to ATi opening up the docs so when that is ready, Nvidia will be the ones with the worse drivers on Linux (right now it's Nvidia with the advantage)
I wonder how many people on this forum own the most powerful cards currently available (9800GX2's / 3870X2's), versus how many own the best midrange cards (8800GT's/3850 etc).
For sure at the end of the day the cards that offer the best compromise between performance and cost will sell the most. Whichever manufacturer wins the performance race just gets bragging rights. Whichever sells the most cards, will win the round.
For sure at the end of the day the cards that offer the best compromise between performance and cost will sell the most. Whichever manufacturer wins the performance race just gets bragging rights. Whichever sells the most cards, will win the round
.anyone else find that really funny in a thread about the delay of the new ati cards.
not that i dissagree with most of JD's post but that bit did make me laugh.
Hahaha
Oops. When I say Nvidia are lazy, I say that as my personal thoughts about Nvidia but I don't think I'm alone in my thinking about this matter.When I mention about them not making the deadline I was referring to how much time Nvidia have had since the success of G80, which I pointed out in the next sentence. I rushed my post at the end.
"They should be miles ahead with all the time they've had."
Even with acting lazy Nvidia have had more than enough time to be well ahead and surprisingly they seem to be in the exact same boat as ATI right now.
Oh, and I wasn't being tangent by the way. I was replying to this.