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4870 vs 8800GTX

Loowi_ashley said:
Is every-one insane? or is there just load of GTX fanboys in here. Its hell of a lot quicker @ 1680*1050.

I went from an 8800GTX to a 4870 and would say in general gaming and benching its around 40% quicker, add another 4870 (CF) and you get even more.

Dont listen to these "my 9600GT is all you need" fanboys. If you want faster buy better! This is gettin silly now, first it was should I Crossfire my 4870 - no its not worth it. Now its 4870vs8800GTX - 4870 isnt worth it!!
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But the point is, if the 8800GTX isn't struggling upgrading is wasting your money. If there are new ones round the corner and the only thing you ahve to worry about is having less AA then your a fool to upgrade tbh.

Ive used a 8800GTX at 1900x1200 for a long time now. Only crysis brings me down, i just lower my resolution to 1600x1080 i think it is, its not the 22" and it scales perfectly back up to my monitor on ascept ratio it seems, well i cant see any streching. And the difference in quality is not really noticeable in that game as it looks great anyway.

O and hes running a wide screen 19" anyway i think,.
 
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Margaret said:
Well that's not the case with the benchmarks I have seen.

A lot of them I've seen have had the 8800GT which is comparable, but even the 8800GTX benchmarks have been outshined by the 4870 by some distance.

At 1920x1200 the 8800GTX doesn't cut it so well anymore at all, I know my 8800GT doesn't and by looking at benchmarks the GTX is is in the sub 40's more often than not.
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I don't know what kind of sites you read but even if a 4870 beats a 3 year old GTX its no shame and by no great amount that you cannot continue to game for now on the GTX if you have managed to this long.

That's what we are getting at here, not what card is FASTEST.

A G260 216 beats a 4870 1GB so that's a better card to get if you MUST change the GTX now.
 
I had my 8800GTX from the day of release, and it was a fantastic card, and still runs things well today such as Call of duty games etc. However if you want to run Farcry2/Fallout/Crysis maxed out with 4XAA a GTX certainly cannot cope anymore. All I'm trying to say its gettin old hat, he wouldnt ask the question if he wasnt struggling.
 
Loowi_ashley said:
I had my 8800GTX from the day of release, and it was a fantastic card, and still runs things well today such as Call of duty games etc. However if you want to run Farcry2/Fallout/Crysis maxed out with 4XAA a GTX certainly cannot cope anymore. All I'm trying to say its gettin old hat, he wouldnt ask the question if he wasnt struggling.
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yes he would, this forum is full of people trying to find excuses to upgrade. Its also full of people tellig otjhers to upgrade when they dont need to because they feel that going from 3.4ghz to 4ghz will make a ig difference to the persons gaming etc. what they usualy fail to menchen is that this big difference is only 5fps. So many people are to focused on speeds of this and that and not the actual frame rate differnce or the cost.
 
8igdave said:
yes he would, this forum is full of people trying to find excuses to upgrade. Its also full of people tellig otjhers to upgrade when they dont need to because they feel that going from 3.4ghz to 4ghz will make a ig difference to the persons gaming etc. what they usualy fail to menchen is that this big difference is only 5fps. So many people are to focused on speeds of this and that and not the actual frame rate differnce or the cost.
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You failed to "menchen" that your also a GTX fanboy. 5FPS on top of 25FPS can be the 20% performance difference that stops your game from looking like a slide show. Please take you GTX and run Farcry 1680*1050 on Ultra settings with 4XAA and 16XAA and tell me you wouldnt rather a 4870! Instead you have to turn everything down to High (if your lucky) and no AA or AF!
 
helmutcheese said:
I don't know what kind of sites you read but even if a 4870 beats a 3 year old GTX its no shame and by no great amount that you cannot continue to game for now on the GTX if you have managed to this long.

That's what we are getting at here, not what card is FASTEST.
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Calm down dear, jesus christ.

I believe the 8800GTX passed 2 years earlier this month.

What kind of sites I read? Try Anandtech.

It's simple, the 8800GTX doesn't cope well at 1920x1200 anymore, it just doesn't, sure the odd new release will be fine. (Dead Space runs great) but in general it is showing its age, not that it's a bad thing as of course it's 2 years old, but I'm not knocking the card. I'm just stating facts.

A G260 216 beats a 4870 1GB so that's a better card to get if you MUST change the GTX now.
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and the 4870 beats that card in some tests too, it's more or less neck and neck but some games simply run better on Nvidia, some on ATi.

Better off just going for the cheapest, which would be the 4870.

smit101 said:
The GTX is a quicker card than the GT,GT works off a 256bit interface whereas the GTX is 384bit and therefore provides a higher bandwidth.
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Yes I know, I went from an 8800GTX down to a GT knowing these facts, the performance difference wasn't worth the £100 profit I made selling the GTX.

Check benchmarks. The GTX is rarely more than a few FPS above the GT even at 1920x1200.
 
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Loowi_ashley said:
You failed to "menchen" that your also a GTX fanboy. 5FPS on top of 25FPS can be the 20% performance difference that stops your game from looking like a slide show. Please take you GTX and run Farcry 1680*1050 on Ultra settings with 4XAA and 16XAA and tell me you wouldnt rather a 4870! Instead you have to turn everything down to High (if your lucky) and no AA or AF!
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You seem to be the only fanboy here,your rattle is out of the pram because no-one is recommending an upgrade to your chosen card.:p

You also seem to be having a hard time believing that a 2 year old GPU can easily live with the current gen of games at max/high settings and 19x12 res,maybe you're just trying to justify your own upgrade to a 4870,who knows!:confused:

I still maintain that the OP'r would be wise to hold off upgrading until the next gen of cards are available,until then the GTX will see him through perfectly whichever game he cares to throw at it!
 
smit101 said:
You seem to be the only fanboy here,your rattle is out of the pram because no-one is recommending an upgrade to your chosen card.:p

You also seem to be having a hard time believing that a 2 year old GPU can easily live with the current gen of games at max/high settings and 19x12 res,maybe you're just trying to justify your own upgrade to a 4870,who knows!:confused:

I still maintain that the OP'r would be wise to hold off upgrading until the next gen of cards are available,until then the GTX will see him through perfectly whichever game he cares to throw at it!
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Have you ran your Farcry2 test yet? No I didnt think so.
I dont need to justify my upgrade to 2X4870's but one fact is GTX's are old hat and cant cut the latest games, its o.k the time was going to come one day. Your not to late click here :-

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=56&subid=1235

Stop waiting for the next best thing in life!
 
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smit101 said:
I still maintain that the OP'r would be wise to hold off upgrading until the next gen of cards are available,until then the GTX will see him through perfectly whichever game he cares to throw at it!
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I agree. Somewhere along the line in the last 1 or 2 years, some of the major PC games companies have realised they will create more profit if their games are optimised to play on a certain mid-range system configuration.

I suppose the 8800 GT was a big step in the right direction price-wise, and Valve's huge success with TF2 and now L4D, not to mention Treyarch and COD4...these factors help our older hardware to live longer.

At my resolution, 1680 x 1050, there is no game I own which I cannot play on my 8800 GTX. COD4 looks awesome, and L4D looks great. There is a very strong rationale for not upgrading atm.
 
Loowi_ashley said:
Have you ran your Farcry2 test yet? No I didnt think so.
I dont need to justify my upgrade to 2X4870's but one fact is GTX's are old hat and cant cut the latest games, its o.k the time was going to come one day. Your not to late click here :-

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/productlist.php?groupid=701&catid=56&subid=1235
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If the poor old GTX couldn't cope then I would gladly click the link,trouble is the damn thing copes so well with everything I throw at it,that I can't justify an upgrade in any direction,be it ATI or Nvidia.

No,haven't installed FC2 yet,have been busy with Fallout 3!
 
smit101 said:
If the poor old GTX couldn't cope then I would gladly click the link,trouble is the damn thing copes so well with everything I throw at it,that I can't justify an upgrade in any direction,be it ATI or Nvidia.

No,haven't installed FC2 yet,have been busy with Fallout 3!
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Fallout 3 being Obivion with guns, that my GTX ran all so well. COD4 which my 7800GTX would run maxed out. Throw some new gaming engines at it! ;)
 
Margaret said:
Calm down dear, jesus christ.

I believe the 8800GTX passed 2 years earlier this month.

What kind of sites I read? Try Anandtech.

It's simple, the 8800GTX doesn't cope well at 1920x1200 anymore, it just doesn't, sure the odd new release will be fine. (Dead Space runs great) but in general it is showing its age, not that it's a bad thing as of course it's 2 years old, but I'm not knocking the card. I'm just stating facts.



and the 4870 beats that card in some tests too, it's more or less neck and neck but some games simply run better on Nvidia, some on ATi.

Better off just going for the cheapest, which would be the 4870.



Yes I know, I went from an 8800GTX down to a GT knowing these facts, the performance difference wasn't worth the £100 profit I made selling the GTX.

Check benchmarks. The GTX is rarely more than a few FPS above the GT even at 1920x1200.
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1st of all I am calm, if you cannot take someone's not agreeing with you then you need take a break from the PC.

You are 100% wrong about a GTX cannot cut it at 1920's now and you would be better suited to listen to peeps who own these cards than a site like Anandtech who have lost it long ago and more peeps here even do not trust them now.

You do not seem to be able to GRASP the fact its not about the fastest card, its about does your older card you have had ages still run games fine for now.

There is no reason to upgrade in that case and many peeps do not even have 24" LCD's that can do 1920's, they have 22" LCD's.

I can afford to buy any card right now and look at them lots but it would be a total waste of time and money as I have gotten this far (touching Dec 2008) with my Ultra so it can last 2-3months more till next lot of cards are out.

Throwing newer/faster hardware at badly coded/console ports is not the answer.
 
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I guess if you must have 60fps frame rates then the GTX will stuggle at 1920 on some games other than Crysis, but having said that, I can still get well over 60 FPS on COD4, full AA and AF
 
smit101 said:
Warhead runs fine as does Crysis,lets face it they're the only 2 games that really push current hardware.;)
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And FarCry2

but you can play all three at high/max settings at 1680 easily.

Every other game I can play fully maxed out full AA and AF with FPS well over 40FPS on most games, most games even higher.
 
Well i spend most of my playing time playing WOW and since the expansion and the graphics update i've barely been getting over 40fps with shadow's and texture filtering turned off and antialiasing on 2x and view distance on about 75% of max.. not sure if it's a bug with the expansion of that the card can't cut it anymore.
 
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