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Distance shimmering is a real bugger, used to get it terribly in the older Battlefield games.
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4k 120hz CPU impact?
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Distance shimmering is a real bugger, used to get it terribly in the older Battlefield games.
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My thoughts (hopes?) exactly.
I just want a new video card, I couldn't care less if one is 5% faster or slower in games than the other.
It’s no different to upping the power slider on an nvidia card, or running multi core enhancement on a CPU, running it above spec is by definition an overclock no matter the way you look at it.
Just because it’s an officially sanctioned mode doesn’t change that it’s running above its specification.
It still doesn’t change the fact your explanation is wrong according to AMDs own presentation and published data.
6800XT could be faster and cheaper than a 3080 at raster in a Ryzen 5000 system, that’s worth thinking about.
You are mistaken.
Increasing the power limit alone does not make any AMD GPU run above spec, that's why using it as a performance tuning preset does not void warranty (unlike true software core frequency overclocking).
I sense i am not going to change your mind though, so i will bow out.
It will be interesting if Navi can hit Ampere levels of power consumption. 420 watts of 120hz wholesome goodness for all the family. Maybe 360hz.
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Could be but my point was performance isn't the single most important metric for me, around 3080 performance should be fine but all things considered I think I'd prefer a 5800XT (less power hungry, hopefully you can actually find one etc).
5-10 years ago I really was thinking we'd be moving to more efficient designs, yet now I'm needing 3 power cables for the motherboard and I'm scrambling to find another 3 power cables for the video card.
Could be but my point was performance isn't the single most important metric for me, around 3080 performance should be fine but all things considered I think I'd prefer a 5800XT (less power hungry, hopefully you can actually find one etc).
5-10 years ago I really was thinking we'd be moving to more efficient designs, yet now I'm needing 3 power cables for the motherboard and I'm scrambling to find another 3 power cables for the video card.
You and me both. I'm not a fanboy per se, but would lean more towards a 5800XT for that very reason
Could be but my point was performance isn't the single most important metric for me, around 3080 performance should be fine but all things considered I think I'd prefer a 5800XT (less power hungry, hopefully you can actually find one etc).
5-10 years ago I really was thinking we'd be moving to more efficient designs, yet now I'm needing 3 power cables for the motherboard and I'm scrambling to find another 3 power cables for the video card.
The 3080 has much more performance per watt compared to the RX5700. Availability has massively improved too, won't be an issue in a week or two.
Not one of the 3080 in stock at any retailer in the UK.
How many % of 3080 owners post in the owners thread? 0.1% overall, include those not aware of OCUK? Go check how many people got their 3080's in the owners thread. Then compare that the RX5700 for example, a card that's been released a very long time.
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AMD naming system... I meant 6800 XT sorry.
Facts are facts, there are more 3080 and 3090 owners in the OCUK owners thread compared to RX5700 owners, after only a few weeks of launch! Using the RX5700 just as an example of a card that's been out for ages. 3090's are in stock in many places, 3080's require use of telegram/discord alert channels to get one for MSRP. Many have got their cards this way, just takes a bit of dedication.
Update! I've been playing through many games on my stream library with my 3080 (and avoiding the now toxic waters of OCUK forums!), and have found quite a few games where I'm heavily CPU limited in certain places. I will say that 90% of the time, a 6700k/7700k is perfectly adequate, though the other 10% of the time you'll really notice a slowdown.
I was playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider earlier, and reached a small town, with a bunch of natives in shops etc. Felt choppy all of a sudden, fired up task manager and other monitoring tools, and had 100% CPU utilization pegged while in this area! Nothing else running on my PC in the meanwhile.
Now, the only question is, do I wait for Rocketlake in a few weeks, as Intel are 99.9% likely to reclaim the gaming performance crown, or try get a 5900x or 5950x in the meanwhile, hmm!
I was playing Shadow of the Tomb Raider earlier, and reached a small town, with a bunch of natives in shops etc. Felt choppy all of a sudden, fired up task manager and other monitoring tools, and had 100% CPU utilization pegged while in this area! Nothing else running on my PC in the meanwhile.
Now, the only question is, do I wait for Rocketlake in a few weeks, as Intel are 99.9% likely to reclaim the gaming performance crown, or try get a 5900x or 5950x in the meanwhile, hmm!
How are people owning them then?
Not sure rocket lake will be 99.9% claiming the crown tbh...ain’t that clear cut. All evidence point to another potential intel disaster as they can’t get their fabrication issues sorted.
It's more like 100% likely. Skylake is a 5.5 year old architecture. That's what AMD have just been able to beat in gaming performance. It's pretty much a certainty that Rocket Lake (the first new architecture since Skylake) will take this away from them. Alder Lake will then launch in a few months, on 10nm, and will probably further cement Intel's gaming performance.
That said, at 4k I'm not going to tell the difference between a 5900x and a 11900k, so the point is moot. It's more for the older 1080P and 1440P resolutions that people still care, though why anyone wants to play at those resolutions in 2020, when consoles have made 4K mainstream, is beyond me!
That architecture was meant to be designed for 10nm but due to the notoriously poor 10nm fabrication (same node as ice lake). They are having to back port it to 14nm to make it commercially viable.
the architectural improvement maybe sound (they have to otherwise it is a disaster). But remember comet lake (same IPC as skylake or thereabouts) has enjoyed generational frequency improvements. But a back ported design will not result in CPU delivering 5GHz clocks. It is just one of those things.
So if rocket lake can only clock to 4.5/4.6GHz then it will certainly wipe out the IPC gain in the architecture. Then there is the issue of only max 8 cores. Lastly the inferior L3 cache to Zen3 will again be detrimental to performance.
as I said it is not as clear cut as the rumour mills will have it. If you want a fairly balance piece of analysis - watch Leo from Kitguru talking about the exact issue.
Only thing I can say is that don’t hedge all of your bets in that
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if true intel's gonna make zen 3/4 look like bulldozer all over again.
That's a very big "if". Intel has issues executing new nodes as promised lately.