4k vs 1080p TV's

Broken Hope · 2 Apr 2015 at 06:37

Castiel said:
I still have both TVs and the samsung is better, it's sharper, brighter and has better overall contrast. The downsides are backlight is a bit iffy sometimes, and motion in football isn't quite as good...but then that's going to be inherent in the technology.

I'm not sure how the Samsung can be brighter if both are calibrated since you should be calibrating for a set brightness level on both sets, also if set to the same brightness and the plasma having a lower black reading I'm not sure how the Samsung can have better contrast either.

easyrider · 3 Apr 2015 at 21:32

What's the point of 4k if nothing is transmitted in it?

MOOGLEYS · 3 Apr 2015 at 21:37

Higher pixel count sells TV's just the same as with digital cameras. More does not always equal better and there is more to a TV than pixel count.

easyrider · 3 Apr 2015 at 21:41

MOOGLEYS said:
Higher pixel count sells TV's just the same as with digital cameras. More does not always equal better and there is more to a TV than pixel count.

I totally get 4k monitors but just not TVs lol

kitfit1 · 3 Apr 2015 at 22:12

easyrider said:
What's the point of 4k if nothing is transmitted in it?

Exactly, in fact nothing is transmitted in 1080p either. Sky seem to think that 1080i is fine for us masses, if they think that then there is no way they will ever transmit any progs in full and proper 4k.

V F · 3 Apr 2015 at 22:16

kitfit1 said:
Exactly, in fact nothing is transmitted in 1080p either. Sky seem to think that 1080i is fine for us masses, if they think that then there is no way they will ever transmit any progs in full and proper 4k.

Well, considering most are on 32 - 42" it'll look sharp on their sets with their over sharpening.

Glaucus · 3 Apr 2015 at 22:19

Netflix is already transmitting in 4k, ok no where near the bitrate of bluray bit it's still uhd.

easyrider · 3 Apr 2015 at 22:24

Glaucus said:
Netflix is already transmitting in 4k, ok no where near the bitrate of bluray bit it's still uhd.

What stuff ?

Glaucus · 3 Apr 2015 at 22:29

No idea, as I don't have a 4k so don't pay for uhd streaming from Netflix. I know house of cards and breaking bad are uhd.

And they will be updating uhd to support HFR and HRD as well.

It streams at 15.8Mbps so they recommend you have at least a stable 25Mb connection.

I'm just hopping they add Dolby Atmos.

Amazon Prime is also doing 4k streaming but only in America atom, over 33films so far. Hopefully it'll come to the uk soon.

And half a dozen other services but again USA only.

Edit - actually amazon rolled at 4k for uk just before Christmas.

Psycho Sonny · 4 Apr 2015 at 00:41

i would love to see a 1080P blu ray up against these so called 4K streams

would be interesting to see which was better and how noticeable it was

MOOGLEYS · 4 Apr 2015 at 00:45

I watched house of cards on my 4K Sony and it looked stunning but the LG blows it to bits even though it's only 1080p.

Just need them to fix the motion on it now. It's very minor but to my eyes it may as well be a slideshow. My Wife cannot see it ?

Spikey · 4 Apr 2015 at 07:36

I'm upgrading to 55" but sticking at 1080p. TV broadcasts are Not even full 1080p yet so God knows when they will be in 4K. And they need to sort Input lag out on 4K sets for gaming.

easyrider · 4 Apr 2015 at 07:40

I was in richer sounds yesterday watching the wolf and bear video on 4k and I could see visible noise when the wolf was turning and spinning around...

Converge · 4 Apr 2015 at 13:27

MOOGLEYS said:
I watched house of cards on my 4K Sony and it looked stunning but the LG blows it to bits even though it's only 1080p.

Just need them to fix the motion on it now. It's very minor but to my eyes it may as well be a slideshow. My Wife cannot see it ?

I might be getting an OLED TV soon, so what's up with the motion?

Does it stutter? :eek:

MOOGLEYS · 4 Apr 2015 at 14:13

Yes to me anyway. With panning camera shots there is what I would describe as micro stutter. Watching Planet Earth when the camera moves up the tree at the beginning it stutters rather than smoothly pans. It's very slight and my Wife says she cannot notice it but to me its very noticeable.

The TV in every other way is stunning though. Films like Batman are like a new film on OLED it's just stunning having real blacks and bright whites together.

Converge · 4 Apr 2015 at 14:29

MOOGLEYS said:
Yes to me anyway. With panning camera shots there is what I would describe as micro stutter. Watching Planet Earth when the camera moves up the tree at the beginning it stutters rather than smoothly pans. It's very slight and my Wife says she cannot notice it but to me its very noticeable.

The TV in every other way is stunning though. Films like Batman are like a new film on OLED it's just stunning having real blacks and bright whites together.

Mmmm, sounds like I'll notice it a lot if you do then, as I had to return a Panasonic Plasma a few years back because it got on my nerves so badly.

Is this something that is being fixed?

MOOGLEYS · 4 Apr 2015 at 14:55

I'm waiting for LG to get back to me but I imagine it will be next week now.

I'm 50/50 at the moment if I will keep it...

theone8181 · 4 Apr 2015 at 16:19

Maybe the stutter you have is a 100hz type thing. On my Samsung 5 years old if I turn it on certain programs stutter a bit but it's better with it off.

MOOGLEYS · 4 Apr 2015 at 18:35

I have tried all the settings and nothing makes much of a difference. Just plugged back in my old 47" set and the motion is much smoother although not as crisp.

Thinking it's going to be returned and I will await this years models if there are any....

Not having much luck getting a new TV or I'm just too fussy....

Funnily just had a mate round with his Wife. She could not see the judder but my mate said it was horrendous the same as me.

Must be a man thing....

HecarimOP · 4 Apr 2015 at 19:06

Tbh it's probably the content rather than the TV. For some reason we're still stuck using the old standard of 24 frames per second for most film content. Certain panning shots at certain speeds will always produce judder at such a low framerate. This is why TV's have motion interpolation.

Increased screen size tends to make judder more perceptible which is perhaps why your old TV looks smoother.

Make sure the TV is running at 24p when necessary. It's called 'Real cinema' on that set I believe. Also have you tried manually tuning the Trumotion settings rather than using the presets?