4k vs 1080p TV's

Yep tried them and nothing makes much difference. To me its not motion judder which I have seen before it looks more like micro stutter. It's weird and annoying but tbh I'm not sure there is much else I can do.

Its a shame but I cannot live with the stutter even though my Wife thinks I'm seeing things.....
 
I've heard of people talk of this stutter/jerkiness on AVF or AVS. Was a month ago or so. There's lots of issues with OLED sets right now. From motion problems to black crush on the sides to magenta tint on the sides that shows up clearly on 50% grey.

Then another problem from an industry expert:

D-Nice said:
No. Unfortunately these LG OLEDs are a mixed bag. There are more 'bad' ones than there are good ones. All of them have poor color that no one can fix. I will say that some have better color than others but it really is a crap shoot.


LOWS

Distracting motion issues (judder)
Still a little pricey for some
Only available in curved screens

http://www.digitaltrends.com/tv-reviews/lg-55ec9300-review/

http://www.avsforum.com/forum/40-ol...-oled-owners-only-thread-55.html#post27399234

MartyGillis said:
For your 24 frame content (when output at 24) :

Tru Motion USER
Judder 3
Blur 2

Any less and things will fall apart sporadically
Any more and you take a one way trip to Soap Opera Land.

Judder is inherent in 24 frame content. If you project a 35mm film on the screen and the cinematographer gets a little too adventuresome, you will see it. It is not exclusive to our home displays, although some displays amplify the problem while others have reasonable ways to address it.

When future displays can give us native 48, (and successful upcovert 24 frame content) judder will no longer exist for all intents and purposes.

Until that day in the future, Tru Motion can handle at least 97% of it. Even so, I still get a few non repeatedly motion errors from time to time. When I see them, I will go back and try to get them to repeat, but usually they run smooth as silk the 2nd time around. I believe the 9300's CPU reaches it's breaking point at times and glitches. The math doesn't add up and we see a stutter or something that resembles a missing frame. It happens VERY infrequently and I personally have never had ANY display that didn't glitch on motion every now and then including my 8th Gen Kuro. And always unrepeatable.

I have used Oppo BD players from the very start after my first Panasonic "door stop" which ran so hot you could fry eggs on it and took 20 minutes or so to try and load a non java title. HA HA!

One thing ALL of us need to always remember. The current state of the art with digital video (or digital ANYTHING) is really really great, but it is NOT perfect and there will always be artifacts of some sort that make it to our eyes. Most people never see them, people here do. People that expect perfect video have the wrong hobby.
Maybe in the future it will be that way, for now we have to settle for near perfection.
 
the Panasonic TX-P60 ZT60E is this still worth buying if i can find one brand new and if so what's a good price . ?????????????? how about say £3500

i have a 55'' ST Panny
 
Question is, if you did find one… Would you really want to buy it? As Panasonic have confirmed to people and others let others know that there is no spare parts. Including the panels. Shops have been after spare parts with none to be found. The biggest faults being the panels themselves. From hairline cracks to the bonded glass separation.

People have been getting refunded for it or Panasonic replaced it with LED AX models. Even people in the US are running into the same problems. Refund or LED set.
 
If you are going 4K, then besides OLED (which is ridiculously expensive) then I would opt for the next best thing, which in my opinion is probably Samsung's latest SUHD TVs.

Samsung have a whole range of new TVs coming out at the moment. Only the top end models have the "SUHD" technology - the benefits of which seem to be based on this new "quantum dot technology" which they claim provides more accurate colours, illumination, and contrast.

More here: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/samsung-js9500-suhd-4k-tv-1278921/review

Samsung's SUHD TVs also appear to be part of a new technology which is using something called "High Dynamic Range" or "HDR", delivering finer detail and textures to the overall picture.

High dynamic range isn't completely new, at least outside of TV hardware. High-end cameras and recent smartphone apps utilize HDR for higher quality photos. By combining several photos taken during a single burst, HDR leaves less room for error, and in most lighting conditions, garners striking results.

Separate photos are taken at different exposures during the process. These are called stops, and the amount of light is doubled from one to the next. So while the first stop produces an extremely dark image, the last result is exceptionally bright, lending better luminosity to the final portmanteau photo.

HDR video, though, is shot with an expanded range – it captures darker shadows and brighter whites during the shooting process. It doesn't really combine the lights and darks, but separates them even further, creating a wider array of possible colors – HDR TVs are the only foreseeable option for doing the image justice on the screen
.

See more here:
http://www.techradar.com/news/telev...-next-big-shift-in-home-entertainment-1280990

Only the Samsung JS9000-9500 models have this technology at the moment.
 
If you are going 4K, then besides OLED (which is ridiculously expensive) then I would opt for the next best thing, which in my opinion is probably Samsung's latest SUHD TVs.

Samsung have a whole range of new TVs coming out at the moment. Only the top end models have the "SUHD" technology - the benefits of which seem to be based on this new "quantum dot technology" which they claim provides more accurate colours, illumination, and contrast.

More here: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/samsung-js9500-suhd-4k-tv-1278921/review

Samsung's SUHD TVs also appear to be part of a new technology which is using something called "High Dynamic Range" or "HDR", delivering finer detail and textures to the overall picture.



See more here:
http://www.techradar.com/news/telev...-next-big-shift-in-home-entertainment-1280990

Only the Samsung JS9000-9500 models have this technology at the moment.

Looks interesting, cheers :).

Quite fancy a Samsung JS9500 68" but £6k for one is probably a little too much :eek:!
 
wait till june next year..........4K LED isn't good enough, so we'll have to wait until OLED drops in price or this Samsung SUHD.

I love the Panny but i think the screen is too small, so i'm after 65'' or above

the perfect tv would've been the VT 65''
 
Will stick to my 2011 51 inch Sammy plasma then

I work in broadcasting and can tell you that the major channels won't broadcast 4K for at least another 5 years.
 
it's too early for an LG OLED as well, i'd wait till next year and i'm not very happy buying an LG either.... the LGs had the worst PQ of all the tvs i saw and their Plasmas were pretty bad a few years ago as well, they were dreadful :eek:

we're in a right pickle at the moment, LED is dead it's time to try something new, but they keep fooling around with it dont they !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Will stick to my 2011 51 inch Sammy plasma then ��

I work in broadcasting and can tell you that the major channels won't broadcast 4K for at least another 5 years.

yea, i've adjust the settings on my Panny plasma and it looks quite a lot better, because i havent adjusted them since i brought the TV :eek::eek:

It looks like i had lost about 15% brightness :eek:
 
If you are going 4K, then besides OLED (which is ridiculously expensive) then I would opt for the next best thing, which in my opinion is probably Samsung's latest SUHD TVs.

Samsung have a whole range of new TVs coming out at the moment. Only the top end models have the "SUHD" technology - the benefits of which seem to be based on this new "quantum dot technology" which they claim provides more accurate colours, illumination, and contrast.

More here: http://www.techradar.com/reviews/audio-visual/televisions/samsung-js9500-suhd-4k-tv-1278921/review

Samsung's SUHD TVs also appear to be part of a new technology which is using something called "High Dynamic Range" or "HDR", delivering finer detail and textures to the overall picture.



See more here:
http://www.techradar.com/news/telev...-next-big-shift-in-home-entertainment-1280990

Only the Samsung JS9000-9500 models have this technology at the moment.

just to let you know i saw the SUHD yesterday, set up perfectly on 4K and yes it looks fantastic, they had 3 different sizes... i think the biggest was about 65''.......... it looks too bright but you can probably adjust it.

the image is perfectly sharp and extremely realistic..but i didn't see fast motion or skin tones....so i cant comment, i also didn't notice extreme Contrast.... so it might not have great blacks......... but the colours were brilliant.........my guess is one more year and it'll probably be good enough..

it's weakness will be flesh tones and blacks.......probably
 
It's a strange place tvs ate in atm

The craze for cheap edge lit lcd
The new 4k sets which are often not as good as 1080p and with almost zero content
The death of plasma (which still seems the best)
These oled issues

I have a an oldish (2012) GT model and I'm definitely not changing it any time soon
 
Discussing exactly the same with a tv retailer yesterday. They've lost so much business with Panasonic dropping plasma and not having a strong LED range to replace it. They estimate they are 60% down year on year. How much business Panasonic lost now must be an embarrassment.
 
Discussing exactly the same with a tv retailer yesterday. They've lost so much business with Panasonic dropping plasma and not having a strong LED range to replace it. They estimate they are 60% down year on year. How much business Panasonic lost now must be an embarrassment.

Thought these companies mantra were driven by insane profit…
 
Discussing exactly the same with a tv retailer yesterday. They've lost so much business with Panasonic dropping plasma and not having a strong LED range to replace it. They estimate they are 60% down year on year. How much business Panasonic lost now must be an embarrassment.

So people who take note of such things as quality is a big enough section go them to feel it?
People are just holding on to what they have?

Would it be fair to say supermarkets are stealing the Super cheap end of the market?
 
it's a dead zone right now........... but that sammy SUHD is deffo the best LED i've ever seen.

Panasonic dropped the PLASMA by mistake and the OLED needs another year yet
 
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