50-65c temps ok for m.2?
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m.2 idle quite warm due to the nature of the drives, been a while since I looked it up but Samsung m.2 drives operating temps are rated between 0-70c
If you search a popular auction site, you can find Jonsbo heatsinks for under £10. I bought one and installed it a few months ago, as I was worried that my usage of the drive during the warm weather would be doing it no good.
The idle temperatures stayed the same, but the temperature while briefly active didn't move much away from the idle temperature. When it active for longer, it seemed to increase gradually, before gradually decreasing again when idle.
Even where my 500 GB Samsung 970 EVO Plus was reaching nearly 60c during constant activity, it would only reach about 45c doing the same task with the heatsink.
The idle temperatures stayed the same, but the temperature while briefly active didn't move much away from the idle temperature. When it active for longer, it seemed to increase gradually, before gradually decreasing again when idle.
Even where my 500 GB Samsung 970 EVO Plus was reaching nearly 60c during constant activity, it would only reach about 45c doing the same task with the heatsink.
Same experience here. Previous GPU acting like a hairdryer, either generating heat at the area with its fans off, or blowing hot air over the M.2 when fans were working.
The heatsink worked nicely.
yeah but I would expect the top end to be for heavy load not 24/7 idling hence my concern.
Also the temp 2 reading is 78C idle, I believe thats the controller although not 100% sure.
So I think my nand is idling high 50s and controller at high 70s.
Makes it harder to accept as normal when others have m.2 drives idling 20C+ lower.
Right now temp sensor 1 at idle 57C
temp sensor 2 at idle 80C.
So removing my side panel removes 10C of the controller temp, not so much impact on the nand. The front intake fans I already knew have limited effect in my system as my hdd bays block them, my case does support a side intake fan so I think I am going to put a fan there. I will also consider the heatsink option, but I feel without getting some airflow first that wont have much of an impact, it needs air moving over it.
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Second higher temperature is the controller.
After upgrading to a X570 motherboard, higher temperature not a concern anymore, hahaha. Just as a note, my chipset was at mid 60's. The fan was at 2500 rpm. Now, after replacing the thermalpad and improving airflow, the temperature stays at 58-59, but the fan is at 1500rpm. Frustrated, but seems like that's the temperature Asus is aiming for the X570-F.
Back to the M.2, using the B350-F and the Vega 56 Pulse next to it, I was seeing temperatures similar to yours, but under gaming, as the case I was using was quite poor for airflow, and the hot air from the GPU was going straight to the M.2, the temperatures increased a good 15C, if not more than that.
Without changing the airflow, but installing a heatsink, the temperatures improved. The problem was still the GPU. Now I'm using the heatsink from the motherboard, but upgraded thermalpad, and temperatures stays under 40. Controller fluctuates from 35 to 45c, but haven't seen crossing the 50c mark yet, even during the last heatwave.
After upgrading to a X570 motherboard, higher temperature not a concern anymore, hahaha. Just as a note, my chipset was at mid 60's. The fan was at 2500 rpm. Now, after replacing the thermalpad and improving airflow, the temperature stays at 58-59, but the fan is at 1500rpm. Frustrated, but seems like that's the temperature Asus is aiming for the X570-F.
Back to the M.2, using the B350-F and the Vega 56 Pulse next to it, I was seeing temperatures similar to yours, but under gaming, as the case I was using was quite poor for airflow, and the hot air from the GPU was going straight to the M.2, the temperatures increased a good 15C, if not more than that.
Without changing the airflow, but installing a heatsink, the temperatures improved. The problem was still the GPU. Now I'm using the heatsink from the motherboard, but upgraded thermalpad, and temperatures stays under 40. Controller fluctuates from 35 to 45c, but haven't seen crossing the 50c mark yet, even during the last heatwave.
yeah its idle with game running.
when game is shutdown, no turbo clocks on cpu and gpu at 2d clocks the temps are about 5-10C lower. But I do have long periods of gaming. So it wont be just for tiny periods of time. I have fans and dust filters ordered now.
For the m.2 heatsink I am still looking as the one you guys mentioned wont fit probably, there is pretty much no space free on top of the drive when gpu is installed.
Just to clarify I am not concerned about load temps, just the idle temps. The ssd wont be under any kind of stress probably barely ever. Did your heatsink improve "idle" temps?
--edit-- after 10 mins of a portable fan blowing at as a test the temps went to (with game running)
nand 39C
controller 54C
The fan is tiny, so airflow from it shouldnt be exceeding what a 120/140mm will do.
when game is shutdown, no turbo clocks on cpu and gpu at 2d clocks the temps are about 5-10C lower. But I do have long periods of gaming. So it wont be just for tiny periods of time. I have fans and dust filters ordered now.
For the m.2 heatsink I am still looking as the one you guys mentioned wont fit probably, there is pretty much no space free on top of the drive when gpu is installed.
Just to clarify I am not concerned about load temps, just the idle temps. The ssd wont be under any kind of stress probably barely ever. Did your heatsink improve "idle" temps?
--edit-- after 10 mins of a portable fan blowing at as a test the temps went to (with game running)
nand 39C
controller 54C
The fan is tiny, so airflow from it shouldnt be exceeding what a 120/140mm will do.
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Yes, but mine wasn't at mid 30s before. More likely mid 50s idle. Possibly the heating from the GPU when the fan was off and later the hot air during the GPU under stress being blown on it. Even with the same layout, airflow, etc, idle temperatures improved with the heatsink. Simply because there's surface to dissipate the heat. But using a GPU which doesn't behave at the same way was a further step better. Going water totally sorted, as the temperature idle for the GPU is mid 20s. Low 40s under load. So no extra heat around the M.2 but their own.
The only frustration is the chipset. Improving airflow and thermal pad, even trying one of those PCI mounting for a 12cm fan pointed at it, doesn't drop the idle temperature to less than mid 50s. Now, only with the usual fans installed, idle 58-59, load for long time 60-61. At least is consistent. Hahab
The only frustration is the chipset. Improving airflow and thermal pad, even trying one of those PCI mounting for a 12cm fan pointed at it, doesn't drop the idle temperature to less than mid 50s. Now, only with the usual fans installed, idle 58-59, load for long time 60-61. At least is consistent. Hahab
To be fair, I don't think your temperatures would be a problem. I particularly like to have the system as cool as possible, even if overkill a bit about fan quantity/noise. But I would be only concerned if under load you start to notice throttling.
Without the heatsink, and even if your GPU behave like my previous Vega 56, if temperature is your concern, just remove the PCI covers and try to adapt a fan blowing front to back, 30 to 45 degrees towards the motherboard, ideally the centre of the fan pointing at the M.2 drive. As effect, any heat generated by the GPU will be forced straight out, without interfering with the M.2, the M.2 will get a blast of fresh air which hasn't been around any other major component, and some cold air towards the VRM area.
If needed, I can install one fan tomorrow and post a picture.
Without the heatsink, and even if your GPU behave like my previous Vega 56, if temperature is your concern, just remove the PCI covers and try to adapt a fan blowing front to back, 30 to 45 degrees towards the motherboard, ideally the centre of the fan pointing at the M.2 drive. As effect, any heat generated by the GPU will be forced straight out, without interfering with the M.2, the M.2 will get a blast of fresh air which hasn't been around any other major component, and some cold air towards the VRM area.
If needed, I can install one fan tomorrow and post a picture.
I put a noctua side fan on, the fan itself I think might be faulty, on standard or higher mode it is mega noisy, sounds normal in silent mode tho.
Not yet tested with a game loaded but with panel on, and some cpu load the nand is 38-39C and controller 45-48C. Ambient temp is 3C down tho from yesterday.
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In game is 42-43C nand and 50-53C controller, very nice improvement, fan is only in silent mode low RPMs under 500.
The cpu and gpu havent really benefited much from the fan but the m.2 seems hugely affected.
Only issue of concern left is on every shutdown the "unsafe shutdown" counter increments. No idea why as I am doing orderly shutdowns, but usually my pc is on 24/7, the only other planned shutdown now is for when I get my new UPS.
Not yet tested with a game loaded but with panel on, and some cpu load the nand is 38-39C and controller 45-48C. Ambient temp is 3C down tho from yesterday.
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In game is 42-43C nand and 50-53C controller, very nice improvement, fan is only in silent mode low RPMs under 500.
The cpu and gpu havent really benefited much from the fan but the m.2 seems hugely affected.
Only issue of concern left is on every shutdown the "unsafe shutdown" counter increments. No idea why as I am doing orderly shutdowns, but usually my pc is on 24/7, the only other planned shutdown now is for when I get my new UPS.
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Sorry for the delay has to travel to Italy, short notice, and still here. Back home Tuesday, so will post some pictures.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ISkAAOSwkVVbW-G5/s-l300.jpg
This is the bracket used. You can either install it using the first slot, above the place the GPU usually goes, and slightly bend to force the airflow to the back, or even blowing parallel to the GPU, the rear and top exhaust and front intake will force the airflow as it's intended, but not ideal.
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/ISkAAOSwkVVbW-G5/s-l300.jpg
This is the bracket used. You can either install it using the first slot, above the place the GPU usually goes, and slightly bend to force the airflow to the back, or even blowing parallel to the GPU, the rear and top exhaust and front intake will force the airflow as it's intended, but not ideal.
Well my side fan seems to be doing the job, I never expected and targeted ultra low temps, just something that wasnt in the 70s for big parts of the day. Would still love to see a pic of that installed tho as it remains an option.
I expect all components that have no native active cooling are benefiting, like my chipset, board capacitors and dimms.
It was good that I think I had some foresight when assembling this rig, the existing fans are using hard to read PWM connectors, one is under cpu cooler, other is under end of gpu, and another under sound card. The easiest accessible one was unused.
I expect all components that have no native active cooling are benefiting, like my chipset, board capacitors and dimms.
It was good that I think I had some foresight when assembling this rig, the existing fans are using hard to read PWM connectors, one is under cpu cooler, other is under end of gpu, and another under sound card. The easiest accessible one was unused.
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