I'm not talking prices 5 - 10 years ago
I'm talking about MSRP not well priced over it or at least dropping down closer to it when the release hype dies down, we could get last generation cards at near RRP ?
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5070 vs 9070XT
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I'm not talking prices 5 - 10 years ago
I'm talking about MSRP not well priced over it or at least dropping down closer to it when the release hype dies down, we could get last generation cards at near RRP ?
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It was written an hour after Gibbo's evening stealth drop earlier this week. Both were in stock at £530/650 for a while.
I suppose if your on a tight budget & you only game at 1080p it would make sense.
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Nvidia have been tight arses over vram for a while now
Another reason I'm going AMD this time
Another reason I'm going AMD this time
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Doesn't look like AMD 9000 series supports ray tracing 1.2 if that matters to you, https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-com...-2-will-deliver-up-to-2-3x-performance-uplift
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To be honest, I think when we're talking mid range gpus which the 9070XT is (albeit top of the mid range) RT is like race mode in a 1.2l ford fiesta. It's got the feature but it's generally pointless. This applies to Nvidias mid range as well.
It's obviously a huge improvement on previous gens, it's still not good enough for full RT, but then the 5090 struggles with full RT or PT without the use of an upscaler or worse MFG.
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I think the 9070/9070XT knocks it out of the park for the mid-high range cards.
Ya did good AMD, ya did good.
Fixed for balance purposes as the 90 series has shortcomings too ^
Neither company offers what I would consider a good mid-range card.
Yeah but if you need a GPU for pricing and performance, AMD at this moment is the clear choice
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Can’t do PT at all? I must tell my 9070 XT that is doing 50-60 FPS at 1440p balanced (70-80 performance) in CP2077 with full PT that it’s a lying git then
This is with FSR4 using Optiscaler.
The 9070 XT for the price is one of those rare cards that history will look at with fondness for those that actually owned one. You know, instead of sniping from the sidelines using your joke priced 5090 and trying to convince us our pleb 9070 and 9070 XTs are actually crap.
A 9070 XT close to and trades blows with a 4080 for half the cost in 2 and a quarter years. Something Nvidia can’t even achieve. From an AMD perspective it matches the previous gen flagship in raster and even soundly beats it in RT for a lot less cost (even with scalped pricing). Once again something even Nvidia failed to do with Blackwell.
AMD released a genuinely excellent and in demand upper mid range GPU that is decent at RT and even playable in PT at 1440p. The reality is it never needed to be perfect at everything. Just get close enough at a decent enough price and enough quantity to be noticed. It more than achieves that goal.
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Have you tried to get an Apple superfan to buy an Android phone - you won't. They would rather buy a crap specced entry level iPhone for £500 and then bleat it's all about the software innit.Can’t do PT at all? I must tell my 9070 XT that is doing 50-60 FPS at 1440p balanced (70-80 performance) in CP2077 with full PT that it’s a lying git then
This is with FSR4 using Optiscaler.
The 9070 XT for the price is one of those rare cards that history will look at with fondness for those that actually owned one. You know, instead of sniping from the sidelines trying to go to convince us it’s actually crap.
Gets close to and trades blows with a 4080 for half the cost in 2 and a quarter years. Something Nvidia can’t even achieve. From an AMD perspective it matches the previous gen flagship in raster and even soundly beats it in RT for a lot less cost (even with scalped pricing).
AMD released a genuinely excellent and in demand upper mid range GPU that is decent at RT and even playable in PT at 1440p. The reality is it never needed to be perfect at everything. Just get close enough at a decent enough price and enough quantity to be noticed. It more than achieves that goal.
Digital Foundry literally had both RX9070 cards as faster than an RTX5070 in their own RT suite.
Nvidia doesn't care anymore when it can make more money from commercial users. Unless you want to stump up over £700 if you are lucky.
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This is the problem. The people sniping at the 9070 and 9070 XT from the sidelines are just coming across as butt hurt Nvidia fanboys now. Pretty much every well known tech tuber has been full of praise for the what AMD delivered with RDNA 4.
So far the arguments are:
- Can’t do PT (ignoring it does it quite well with upscaling… you know like every other mid and even upper tier Nvidia GPU needs).
- At this scalped prices you may as well get a 5070Ti (ignoring they are even worse scalped).
- 5070 beats it in PT (but loses everywhere else) and has a joke amount of VRAM.
- Not as efficient (ignoring the 9070 is arguably the most efficient in watts per frame GPU this gen).
It just reeks of people being upset that Nvidia messed up, but instead of getting angry at Nvidia they buy a 5070Ti/5080/5090 at a joke scalped price that’s on top of the already terrible MSRP price, then they come here to get angry at AMD.
The AMD pricing is a problem and needs to be closer to MSRP and I think the 9070 is £50 overpriced. But from a tech and software stack perspective I can’t fault RDNA4 all things considered as they exceeded my expectations.
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But at £540 that ventus 5070 looks genuinely a decent card. It’s the price that makes it a good option even with 12GB. It’s almost 20% cheaper than a 9070 XT.
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Picked up a 5070 for £549 a few weeks back from a stock drop. I ordered the 9070 XT for £569 from a competitor launch day at 2:02pm and they took the money but later cancelled the order. If I was to buy AMD it would have be a lot better value than the Nvidia equivalent so £549 for a 5070 vs £700+ for a 9070 XT think I got the better option.
I know on paper the 9070 XT is faster in some cases and has more VRAM etc but have 32GB in my main rig with my 5090 founders so is a non issue for me!
Also DLSS4 transformer is still better than FSR4 and you can drop to performance mode with less of a visual hit so 12GB VRAM at 1440p isn’t a problem. 9070 XT isn’t a strong 4K card anyway, I know this because I had a 5080 for 2 weeks at launch before my 5090 and that isn’t strong at 4K either at higher refresh rates.
I know on paper the 9070 XT is faster in some cases and has more VRAM etc but have 32GB in my main rig with my 5090 founders so is a non issue for me!
Also DLSS4 transformer is still better than FSR4 and you can drop to performance mode with less of a visual hit so 12GB VRAM at 1440p isn’t a problem. 9070 XT isn’t a strong 4K card anyway, I know this because I had a 5080 for 2 weeks at launch before my 5090 and that isn’t strong at 4K either at higher refresh rates.
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All you've done is saved yourself £100 and bought yourself a terrible card. A 5070 is not a better option.