My main concern with 5800X3D is if its a big enough upgrade over my existing 3800X to be worth it, with the same core count.... But its now cheap enough to go for it anyway, and 2/3 of the price of the 5950X which at least doubles my core count from the current CPU.
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5950X VS 5800X3D for long term
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In games it is a huge upgrade. The standard 5800x is approx 25% faster that a 3800x due to the increased IPC for Ryzen 5000 chips and the 5800X3D is approx that much faster again in the majority of games.
if primary gaming would go 5800X3D its significantly faster and uses less power doing it . dont think the 5950x is gonna age any better for gaming when games need 8+ when spreading load over ccds brings latency, and we will have much faster cpus out by that time
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Its quite a good upgrade, I was happy with my purchase. (same'ish specs as you) x3d def if you game / 5950 for the transcode/render/vm's/proper work.Thanks all for the input. Looks like X3D is the cheapest and best bang for buck for that motherboard. Maybe along with a 4070Ti (grrr - oops wrong forum)
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Intel states 14 core
Dare say its big little but still 14 cores is 14 cores!
Well its 14 cores, but only 6 of them are strong P-cores. The other 8 e-cores are peasant mediocre much lesser cores on par with compute power of original Zen or Zen+ or maybe even between Haswell and Skylake with much worse latency.
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For gaming even a 5800X or even 5600X is so worth it over 3800X. The 5800X3D is a no brainer upgrade over 3800X for primarily gaming. It will be night and day difference with high end GPU.
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Make sure you update your motherboard BIOS before trying to put the new CPU in. I'd do it as soon as possible even before buying as then you can't make the mistake of forgetting as life has a habit of getting in the way of things.Thanks all for the input. Looks like X3D is the cheapest and best bang for buck for that motherboard. Maybe along with a 4070Ti (grrr - oops wrong forum)
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Yes I agree/
JUst a couple years ago I had the thought I should get tons of cores it will be more future proof for gaming and such. I made a mistake in that thinking. I had thoughts of Core 2 Duo and how so many said that is best for gaming and how so many said no need for quad cores. And that did not age so well as quad cores kept up better with gaming.
However it appears a wall has been hit with game development in thread scaling. Games are impossible to parallelize, so I assume it is much easier to go from 2 to 4 cores being useful and going much beyond that gets so hard. And no I do not think its just because of core count stagnation when AMD was irrelevant and Intel had stuck on 4 core with big and sometimes small IPC increases. I mean we have had core count increases for over 4 years now once AMD got IPC competitive with Zen 2 and went above 8 cores on mainstream 4.5 years ago and games still do not scale much beyond 6 cores let alone 8 except for some rare niche cases.
So I think 8 cores even in 10 years no games will require more than 8, though some may get much better experience with more than 8 unlike today where there is little difference beyond 8 cores even in most CPU demanding games. Fewer cores with better clocks and IPC and more cache is the future for gaming rather than more cores due to the difficulty of parallelizing games to scale to infinite threads. 8 cores and 16 threads will be sweet spot for years to come especially since current gen consoles use that and PC and console games are developed together. And I do not think more cores is going to help bad optimized console ports to PC rather much stronger faster 8 core CPUs.
Heck almost all games even run on 4 cores 8 threads and are actually ok. They may stutter a little in certain spots, but its not like they are constantly stuttering and unplayable.
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I recommended that my Son got the 5800x3d the other month back if gaming and general use. I'm not sure what I would recommend if he wanted to stream what he is playing or watch other stuff on a second monitor like movies etc whilst gaming.
I'm still happy with my 5950X.
I left my tweaking at what I have below running prime 95 on all cores.
Youtube is a happy chappy, haha
I'm still happy with my 5950X.
I left my tweaking at what I have below running prime 95 on all cores.
Youtube is a happy chappy, haha
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Without hesitation 5950x
for 5950x money ya can get with the am5 gang with 6 or 8 core cpu. for long term as op requested its gonna be the better option.
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Even for gaming?? Which games if any that are GPU bound use more than 8 cores or will any time soon.
Simulation games I hear are easier for parallelization, but even those do far and away better with less cores and loads more L3 cache as Factorio benchmark shows. Though cannot get away with too few cores and call it a day. But at same time the need for loads and loads of cores for gaming just isn't so. 6 cores 12 threads was sweet spot and soon to be 8 cores 16 threads as sweep spot and hard to see that changing anytime soon unless you are streaming and watching videos while playing games.
Well, one could make a bet on 7800x3d vs 5950x for the same platform money, however in this case longevity would be an advantage if and only if you're willing to swap CPU after let's say 5 years.
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I've just moved from a 3700x to a 5800x3d and paired it with a 7900xtx and it's smashing just about everything!
If you want to keep your am4 setup going another few years then the x3d chip is the way to go! It's certainly not holding back the xtx - warzone sits at 170-200fps solidly at 1440p maxed out.
If you want to keep your am4 setup going another few years then the x3d chip is the way to go! It's certainly not holding back the xtx - warzone sits at 170-200fps solidly at 1440p maxed out.
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I went from a 3900X to a 5900X and it was a big jump in performance
It's stormin' it in Hogwarts Legacy too 3840x1600
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It’s a strange time right now. I’m toying with the ideal of moving aware from the 5800X3D on to AM5.
The X3D hasn’t floated my boat and I need more cores now I’m doing more VM stuff.
If gaming the 3D would probably be all you need…but shiny shiny
The X3D hasn’t floated my boat and I need more cores now I’m doing more VM stuff.
If gaming the 3D would probably be all you need…but shiny shiny
It will be a long time before the 5950x or the 5800X3D are not good enough for gaming, most games run fine on a potato. If you want high FPS ( 120+ ), the 5800X3D will probably win for now. If I was building a long term PC now, I would not get any AM4 parts. The AM5 prices are getting closer to AM4 and a 7600X performs as good as 5800X3D in a lot of things.
It’s never happened. What you are talking about is API limitations. Unless the 12100 can beat the 13900?