5960x Question

Len Dananey · 11 Oct 2019 at 14:10

Jacky60 said:
My RAM is a recent install but I did get my 2666 Avexir core red (probs same kit you bought) to run at XMP 2750Mhz stable 15/15/15/34 at 4.5Ghz. The Patriot RAM I'm currently running is not at XMP as its rated 4000Mhz but I dialled in manually to 3000Mhz and tightened the timings and it rocks. 10% -20% boost over 2666 at 15/15/15 34 in Arma 3 although that's a serious outlier as no difference I can notice in any other game. Either way you have a great CPU. I really can't wait for another upgrade but I don't want to cheap out on PCIE lanes with a 9900K and was going to get the 3900X but the fact it can't hold bost at 4.6Ghz in any meaningful way means I'm waiting for 10 core Icelake or whatever its called and AMDs next iteration of Zen. I think we're both good until next gen CPUs from either vendor land late this or early next year then I'll look again.

Yeah I am waiting too mate, tbh I haven't messed with the memory because there is such minimal gains doing so and I couldn't be bothered tbh I never touch the memory in any build. I have 8 sticks of 4gb of the same memory as you, I have noticed one thing over the past few months though, not sure if it is a problem. The right hand set light up much dimmer than the left hand set, now whilst there isn't any issues as such I am perplexed as to why that happens. Unless ofcourse the right hand 16gb isn't having to work as hard so therefore is doesn't light up as much? I know they have lifetime warranty but I am not sure that would be a warranty reason.

Jacky60 · 12 Oct 2019 at 08:49

I assume you tried reseating the memory modules, I've seen that before with one of my modules (4x8gb) but it seemed to stop when reseated although maybe that was just coincidence. Avexir went bankrupt btw but if they're still working in quad channel mode then I guess living with them being dimmer is OK. Does seem a little odd though.

Len Dananey · 12 Oct 2019 at 10:50

Jacky60 said:
I assume you tried reseating the memory modules, I've seen that before with one of my modules (4x8gb) but it seemed to stop when reseated although maybe that was just coincidence. Avexir went bankrupt btw but if they're still working in quad channel mode then I guess living with them being dimmer is OK. Does seem a little odd though.

Yeah I did reseat at one point mate, will contact Ocuk to ask about the memory dimming and see what they say. Avexir went bankrupt? Damn. Lifetime warranty meaningless then I take it?

Jacky60 · 12 Oct 2019 at 12:21

Don't know about lifetime warranty status but it doesn't look good. One of my sticks failed ages ago before they went bust and overclockers sorted RMA. Good luck mate!

Len Dananey · 12 Oct 2019 at 21:17

Have just tested at 4.8ghz Jacky60, it passed IBT 10 passes on max, but the TJ Max was hit on a few of the cores 89 degrees! Although it comes back as stable I don't think I will keep it @ 4.8ghz haha.

Jacky60 · 13 Oct 2019 at 04:45

Nice!

Len Dananey · 13 Oct 2019 at 14:51

Jacky60 said:
Nice!

@ Jacky or anyone else - Not sure if it will help anyone but here are the settings I used for 4.7ghz stable. I had to give it a little more vcore for 4.8ghz but the same settings for the rest.(Have done a lot of testing to get this right)

This is all I changed: (Memory XMP disabled as explained above).

Advanced Frequency:
- CPU Base Clock - Manual
- CPU Clock Ratio - 47
- XMP - Disabled

Advanced CPU Core Settings:
- Uncore Ratio - 39
- C States (C1E, C3, C6/C7, Ther Mon & EIST - Disabled

Advanced Power Settings:
- Vrin LLC - Extreme
- Vrin Current Protection - Extreme
- DDR CH (A/B/C/D) - Extreme
- Pwr Phase - Extreme

CPU Core Voltage:
- CPU Vrin External Overide - 1.9v
- CPU Vcore - 1.325v
- CPU Ring - 1.15v

And for 4.7ghz that is all I set, this has ran stable for over 12 months and I have never had a BSOD or crash relating to the overclock. Passes IBT 10x Max and others that I tried. For 4.8ghz if anyone is interested I had to use 1.4v and although it passed IBT also and the other tests, the TJ Max was literally on 89 degrees! so I will stick with 4.7ghz. This may not help anyone but thought I would post anyway. I am in no way an expert overclocker like some of you guys, hence the XMP turned off, when I use XMP my overclock is very limited passed 4.3ghz so I run at default 2133 instead of 2666, not overly bothered about that. The uncore @ 3.9 was about as high as I tried with that, could possibly have that running higher. Hope it helps someone. This is using the Gigabyte Bios, by the way so some settings may be slightly different for you.
I have considered upgrading once Intel 10 comes out or move to AMD, but it does run great upto this point my system for what I need.

Jacky60 · 13 Oct 2019 at 22:16

Thanks for that, I'll have a fiddle this week see if I can get a bit more out of my CPU.

Jacky60 · 14 Oct 2019 at 18:04

Len Dananey said:
@ Jacky or anyone else - Not sure if it will help anyone but here are the settings I used for 4.7ghz stable. I had to give it a little more vcore for 4.8ghz but the same settings for the rest.(Have done a lot of testing to get this right)

This is all I changed: (Memory XMP disabled as explained above).

Advanced Frequency:
- CPU Base Clock - Manual
- CPU Clock Ratio - 47
- XMP - Disabled

Advanced CPU Core Settings:
- Uncore Ratio - 39
- C States (C1E, C3, C6/C7, Ther Mon & EIST - Disabled

Advanced Power Settings:
- Vrin LLC - Extreme
- Vrin Current Protection - Extreme
- DDR CH (A/B/C/D) - Extreme
- Pwr Phase - Extreme

CPU Core Voltage:
- CPU Vrin External Overide - 1.9v
- CPU Vcore - 1.325v
- CPU Ring - 1.15v

And for 4.7ghz that is all I set, this has ran stable for over 12 months and I have never had a BSOD or crash relating to the overclock. Passes IBT 10x Max and others that I tried. For 4.8ghz if anyone is interested I had to use 1.4v and although it passed IBT also and the other tests, the TJ Max was literally on 89 degrees! so I will stick with 4.7ghz. This may not help anyone but thought I would post anyway. I am in no way an expert overclocker like some of you guys, hence the XMP turned off, when I use XMP my overclock is very limited passed 4.3ghz so I run at default 2133 instead of 2666, not overly bothered about that. The uncore @ 3.9 was about as high as I tried with that, could possibly have that running higher. Hope it helps someone. This is using the Gigabyte Bios, by the way so some settings may be slightly different for you.
I have considered upgrading once Intel 10 comes out or move to AMD, but it does run great upto this point my system for what I need.

Thanks for that you've inspired me to push for more! 4622Mhz, 14/14/14/28/1T 3000Mhz DDR4, 4250 cache...she's flying! Corsair GTX110i AIO with additional Noctuas! It's stable as in all day crash free for gaming (only real use) and 10% quicker! Will post bios settings asap.

Jacky60 · 14 Oct 2019 at 18:07

Double post

Len Dananey · 14 Oct 2019 at 18:28

Jacky60 said:
Double post

Haha awesome mate, did the settings help at all? I was considering keeping mine on 4.8 mate but when IBT it passed but hit 89 degrees haha, saying that though gaming wouldn't push it to that I don't think so might just do it and see how it goes. Try for 4.7ghz now!!

Jacky60 · 14 Oct 2019 at 23:44

I have to get used to 4622 for a bit first! I see Overclockers are still selling 5960X and binned 4.7ghz 5960X CPUS are £599! Who'd have thunk it

! You have to get that memory to 2666mhz at least . Try 125 Mhz on bclk then your memory can stretch its legs. 5960X typically needs 125bclk to OC memory. I'm on 37 CPU multiplier x125. Your CPU should be fine my System agent (VCCSA) is 0.45v+ MHz on Asrock's bios. (X99X Fatality 3.1). Memory OC needs a SA boost here to get it stable and 2666sometimes and 3000Mhz Memory almost always needs 125 or similar bclk and lower CPU multiplier to work. Also I have a 140mm fan blowing directly onto CPU socket/VRMs as they get toasty with AIO.
Temps are reasonable max 85C for a second or two 1.36 vcore/1.90 CPUIN Voltage. Previously had CPU VIN at 1.95 but seems I don't need it, at LLC 1 more to follow.

Len Dananey · 15 Oct 2019 at 00:49

Jacky60 said:
I have to get used to 4622 for a bit first! I see Overclockers are still selling 5960X and binned 4.7ghz 5960X CPUS are £599! Who'd have thunk it! You have to get that memory to 2666mhz at least . Try 125 Mhz on bclk then your memory can stretch its legs. 5960X typically needs 125bclk to OC memory. I'm on 37 CPU multiplier x125. Your CPU should be fine my System agent (VCCSA) is 0.45v+ MHz on Asrock's bios. (X99X Fatality 3.1). Memory OC needs a SA boost here to get it stable and 2666sometimes and 3000Mhz Memory almost always needs 125 or similar bclk and lower CPU multiplier to work. Also I have a 140mm fan blowing directly onto CPU socket/VRMs as they get toasty with AIO.
Temps are reasonable max 85C for a second or two 1.36 vcore/1.90 CPUIN Voltage. Previously had CPU VIN at 1.95 but seems I don't need it, at LLC 1 more to follow.

Will give the memory a shot tomorrow mate, tinkering again haha.

Jacky60 · 15 Oct 2019 at 17:20

Lemme know how you get on, my PC has never felt snappier tbh.

Len Dananey · 15 Oct 2019 at 17:32

Jacky60 said:
Lemme know how you get on, my PC has never felt snappier tbh.

Will have a mess with the memory tonight mate, usually touching that messes up stability big time though. Might try a higher Uncore later. I currently have 4.7ghz stable using an uncore of 39, will try a little more and maybe mess with the memory, if memory won't play ball I will just leave it disabled but will try. I am not too bad overclocking CPU's but memory I always get lost quickly. I know as soon as I turn on XMP it won't boot, would put money on it.

Ok I just put XMP on and it boot into windows. Not sure if it will be stable with XMP but will see, here are my bios settings, if you see anything I should change regarding the ram can you let me know Jacky60 please. Will post below 1 sec:

https://ibb.co/9q2yDDd
https://ibb.co/RHgDv92
https://ibb.co/BZ3rk34
https://ibb.co/Kj7kSV9
https://ibb.co/0cX7jPm
https://ibb.co/dcXd0nf - All memory settings on default and whole way down each one.
https://ibb.co/QDKdTb5
https://ibb.co/c8SPxyF

Len Dananey · 15 Oct 2019 at 18:28

Update - Game froze, have turned off XMP again, not bothered about it mate.

Jacky60 · 15 Oct 2019 at 21:47

I always ran my memory at 1.35V when 15/15/15/35 mine's rated at 2666Mhz and says 1.2V on the sticks but afaik it has to be 1.35V to run at its 2666 timings. Never been stable at 2666 at 1.2V and wouldn't boot even thought that's what is says on each stick! If you enter XMP it may be defaulting to 1.2v which will struggle to be stable, I'd try just enabling XMP but put memory (DDR4 Voltage) to 1.35V. Also your multiplier is at 47 in screenshots but needs to be 38 x 125Mhz host clock (bclk) which would put you a shade over 4.7ghz. 5960X above 2400Mhz (or maybe even 2133) nearly always has to be on a 125Mhz bclk.

Len Dananey · 16 Oct 2019 at 01:26

@Jacky60
Ahh I remember you saying it needed to be 125 BCLK and not 100, will give that a go tomoz mate, if it doesn't work I will stick with what I have hehe. Jacky are you on Steam? Would be easier chatting on there if you can send me your steamid mate. You have the exactly same Avexir memory as I have in this, the red Avexir core 8 x 4gb, have never touched memory timing before but will have a blast.

Len Dananey · 16 Oct 2019 at 01:47

Ok well, if I put 125 x whatever it shows the speed fine, but as soon as I add xmp the memory speed goes too high. Look at this image Jacky60

https://ibb.co/jyzWGr6 Memory changes to 3333mhz! so clearly won't boot haha. Clearly there is something I need to change but I don't usually mess with memory so not sure.

Jacky60 · 16 Oct 2019 at 07:54

Len Dananey said:
@Jacky60
Ahh I remember you saying it needed to be 125 BCLK and not 100, will give that a go tomoz mate, if it doesn't work I will stick with what I have hehe. Jacky are you on Steam? Would be easier chatting on there if you can send me your steamid mate. You have the exactly same Avexir memory as I have in this, the red Avexir core 8 x 4gb, have never touched memory timing before but will have a blast.

'Jackie60' on Steam. I bet you'll be fine with 2666 at 125 bclk and 1.35v for the DDR4 it's not a remotely excessive voltage but my memory certainly needs it. I also have to manually set the memory in bios to 2666 as otherwise the multiplier dials it up too high. Yours is a high end mobo so you should have a memory speed setting in bios to dial it back to 2666 or similar and you can simply use the memory timings from your photo of the xmp settings but make sure frequency is 2666 and voltage 1.35v. I have the Avexir core red 4x 8GB so not sure if having all RAM slots populated would be an issue for you but I don't think X99 is as sensitive as some. I bought the Avexir as it was touted as being 3000mhz capable on the Overclockers website but only 3 of my four modules can comfortably do 3000mhz. All of mine can do 2750 no issue so you should have some headroom above 2666 if needed.